Wednesday, February 01, 2006
McGuinness: IMC’s winks, nods and innuendo
A clearly angry Martin McGuinness kicked off a press conference in Belfast just now by refering to the IMC as the non independent monitoring commission. He ruled it as having no place in the political process, that it clearly was set up to target Sinn Fein, that since its sources, he alleged, were in the Special Branch it was nothing more than a proxy for political policing and was operating an anti-Republican agenda.
He then called for clear evidence to be produced, saying that in a democratic society, people should be accepted as innocent until proved guilty and asked “Where are these IRA men, what are their names?” He finished by noting that the apparent clash in the IIDC and the IMC over the accusation that some weapons still remained in the hands of the IRA, and said he refused to accept that the allegations had come from anywhere but Special Branch. Finally he called on the media not to be lazy, and take what he called the “winks, nods and innuendo” of this morning’s report.
Mick Fealty @ 03:46 PM
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Posted by on Feb 01, 2006 @ 05:07 PMFinally he called on the media not to be lazy, and take what he called the “winks, nods and innuendo” of this morning’s report...
..nor this afternoon’s rants?
Posted by on Feb 01, 2006 @ 05:07 PMPoor alfredo
Not one piece of evidence to support your allegations.
Posted by on Feb 01, 2006 @ 05:11 PMglad to see Martin has found his B**ls and telling it like it is. This report is nonsense and this “independent” monitoring commision wound up
Posted by on Feb 01, 2006 @ 05:14 PMOf the two nationalist parties only the SDLP do not have conflict of interest when interpreting the information today and can think about the issues from the intersts of the broad nationalist community rather than just some vested interests within it.
Posted by on Feb 01, 2006 @ 05:16 PMGsket,
Quote"Not one piece of evidence to support your allegations.“Unquote
No prizes for what this is about? Eh Chris. My friend Martin?.
How are things Chris? is the IMC what you expected>
Do not get despondent my friend after all as Johnny Logan is famous for saying ” Whats Another Year”
MartyPosted by on Feb 01, 2006 @ 05:25 PMc’mon marty behave, you’re better than that.
It’s been an overwhelming success, just about every politician has acknowledged the immense change by the IRA bar the DUP.
Don’t tell us you’ve decided to throw your hat in with that lot.Posted by on Feb 01, 2006 @ 05:35 PMSpirit.
Quote"Don’t tell us you’ve decided to throw your hat in with that lot.Unquote
Not while I have an hole in my arse.
Martin
Posted by on Feb 01, 2006 @ 05:42 PMMartin, Ball Please!!
Posted by on Feb 01, 2006 @ 05:44 PMOf the two nationalist parties only the SDLP do not have conflict of interest when interpreting the information today and can think about the issues from the intersts of the broad nationalist community rather than just some vested interests within it.
The problem with the SDLP is that it has put its own survival ahead of everything else and right now all its chips are riding on the chance that the DUP and the UUP will take it on board in some talking shop so that it can thread water to the next election.
Of course then will come the crunch.
And if you think the SDLP has no vested interest, David, what do you think of the IICD position which vindicates the republican position. What vested interest is being served there?
The IMC on the other hand is anxious to keep on reporting - who would throw their hats at a £625 per day ‘job’ plus expenses? who wouldn’t want it to continue as long as possible?
No-one except the tax payer - me and you - who’re paying for this Monitoring Charade.
Posted by on Feb 01, 2006 @ 06:20 PMThe Alderdice argument seems to be that we have to take it on his word that he and the other quango members are truely independent. He is also asking us to accept at face value that the assessments given to him are factual thus allowing the IMC to reach the conclusions that they do.
Because of the lack of transparency it is only right to look at the background of the type of people Alderdice asks us to believe. The various intelligence services who have lied and murdered for the best part of 30 years. Central of course is the PSNI.
The same PSNI who lied after the theft of the details of 400 people from Castlereagh in April 2004. The same PSNI who told the SDLP’s Alex Attwood that the person who took the details took them for ‘research purposes’. The same PSNI who eventually travelled around Belfast before Xmas to eventually tell people that unionist paramilitaries were in possession of their details.
They lied over this issue for 18 months, they lied over this issue even while the IMC were compiling this report.
Posted by on Feb 01, 2006 @ 06:48 PMIf only we had someone as independent as say Father Reid on the IMC eh?
Posted by on Feb 01, 2006 @ 06:51 PMPat,
I would not go down the route of who is the worst liar ? because Republicans win that one hands down.
MartinPosted by on Feb 01, 2006 @ 06:54 PMPat,
This is neither a facetious or trivial question.
When you say Alderdice’s “argument seems to be that we have to take it on his word that he and the other quango members are truly independent”.
Is this not precisely the premise that Martin McGuinness used when he told the public that the IRA said they did not rob the Northern Bank?
Posted by on Feb 01, 2006 @ 06:54 PMmartin,
who is the worst liar?
not true, republicans don’t hide who they are.
The DUP mask their bigotry in self-righteousness.Posted by on Feb 01, 2006 @ 07:17 PMOf course Mick, the archives of this very site are proof of the incredulity that some posters attached to Mc Guinness’s statement.
What cannot be understated is the power that the Britsh placed in the hands of the IMC, a power that Alliance’s Alderdice could never attain through the ballot box.
Given that power it is only right to question the bona fides of those in the IMC and the sources they quote as fact. The lack of transparency of the workings of the quango is underlined by the statements of Alderdice that amounts to ‘trust me I know what i’m doing’.I have given a very real and contemporary example of the PSNI lying for the best part of 18 months, even while this current report was being compiled, unsurprisingly not queried by anyone.
The direct and it is direct (despite Alderdices huffing and puffing) questioning of the IMC take on things by the IICD cannot be overstated. Where the IMC can be openly queried by an outside agency it has been and the IICD are standing behind their assessment. After that we still have Alderdice stating ‘trust me I know what i’m doing’.
Posted by on Feb 01, 2006 @ 07:17 PMGsket,
Quote"Not one piece of evidence to support your allegations.“Unquote
No prizes for what this is about? Eh Chris. My friend Martin?.
How are things Chris? is the IMC what you expected>
Do not get despondent my friend after all as Johnny Logan is famous for saying “ Whats Another Year”
MartyIt looks like someone is upset that they are not centre stage.
Your deluions of grandeur are growing by the day.
Alfredo has no evidence for his wild claims which is why I suspect the moderator pulled them.
Of course the IMC is what Republicans expected. The IMC is nothing more than the public mouth of Securocrats and Spooks.
Please lay off the “my friend” crap!
You are a bottom feader, nothing more!
Posted by on Feb 01, 2006 @ 07:28 PMSince the outing of Donaldson a plethora of so called security experts have come on this site and stated how the IRA was infiltrated from top to bottom by informers. They stated that the IRA leadership has been aware of this for more than a decade that the whole organisation had been compromised. In fact they left a lot of these people alone because the scale odf infiltration would be embarrassing.
Given that the IRA was aware of the level of infiltration how could they possibly hope to keep the concealment of weapons secret?Posted by on Feb 01, 2006 @ 07:42 PMRemoved. [Valid criticism is fine. Just trying staying inside the law when you next make a comment - mod].
Posted by on Feb 01, 2006 @ 07:44 PMalfredo
You are out of order and clearly unbalanced!
Pat
I agree
However if the IRA isn’t infiltrated from top to bottom (and they are not) that would make ole Marty Ingram a liar and a fraud. A person so consumed by his own self-importance and ego-tripping that he invents stories in order to appear relevant.
All these “security experts” AKA Spooks are as reliable as theory that the earth is flat.
Posted by on Feb 01, 2006 @ 07:49 PMI await with intrepidation the production of some credible evidence to support the IMC report.
Martin,
your posts are becoming so tiresome I now jump to the monicer in order to save myself the time and energy ofreading them.
Posted by on Feb 01, 2006 @ 08:09 PMHi all,
I find it rather ironic that Martin McGuiness who loves to give cover to the brits by not naming names and letting them hide under the term ‘Securocrats” now is having a hissy fit about and demanding the brist give names of the IRA men the brits are accusing….ones little ironies of life for martin mcguiness.
Posted by on Feb 01, 2006 @ 08:44 PMPat,
Quote"Since the outing of Donaldson a plethora of so called security experts have come on this site and stated how the IRA was infiltrated from top to bottom by informers.“Unquote
I understand you are not refering to me here Pat, because I have been saying this since 1999 when at the time nobody would believe me. Different now though even Republicans ask me to help now. Now thats not some Johnny come lately is it Pat? or are you suggesting it was all part of the long game.
Like the Sunday Indo said a few weeks ago I have a record of getting it right and that`s not just in the Freddy Scap case which your friends in Sinn Fein still can not admit to . Shame on the Republican families who are asking their leaders for the truth and what do they do ? keep lying.
I enjoy all types of Shinners, always had a soft spot for them. I especially like the Chris Gaskins of this world. A subject close to Chris is the CRJ.
Quote IMC"Those who have exerted this pressure are sometimes also known for their paramilitary connections"Unquote
I understand the IMC also make the point in the report that CRJ`s are being used by Republicans to maintain a grip on their communities. Just like I told you a few weeks ago on this board.Care to comment Chris.
As for Martin, well time will tell on that one. Be patient maybe another book in that one.
MartinPosted by on Feb 01, 2006 @ 08:57 PMI especially like the Chris Gaskins of this world
Only one of them and he doesn’t like bottom feaders!
I understand the IMC also make the point in the report that CRJ`s are being used by Republicans to maintain a grip on their communities. Just like I told you a few weeks ago on this board.
All that proves is what I have stated already.
The IMC is nothing more than the mouthpiece for securocrats and spooks such as yourself.
Posted by on Feb 01, 2006 @ 09:03 PMquestion no one has yet asked. could IICD and IMC both be correct. IICD refer to what the Provos had IMC picking up on what they have now i.e. new weapons procured since Sept.
Posted by on Feb 01, 2006 @ 09:37 PM
