Friday, January 20, 2006
Kerr slam Republic’s racist supporters
Brian Kerr talks about the racialist abuse he’s had from ‘supporters’ berating him for including black Irish players in his team. Paul at Northern Irish Magyar has the report.
Mick Fealty @ 11:35 AM
Pat Jennings Fan
“but did also mention about one of the players(the goalie?) getting assaulted later in the hotel. From what I can recall one or two of the Irish papers also wrote about it.”Yep, they wrote about an ice bucket being emptied on the goalie in the hotel by some bloke. But the other incidents Haaertz claim happened appeared not to have happened if the Israeli manager and the Gardaí present are to be believed. Just working from memory here.
Posted by on Jan 22, 2006 @ 01:27 AMmustapha mond
..(Sic)..New!? Paul McGrath begs to differ.
Oh really? I seem to remember Paul McGrath being held in high esteem and great affection by RoI fans. Ooh Aah! Maybe you interpreted that as monkey chants - you were wrong.
No it is’nt, its taught father to son, or through fear of the unknown. I have never met a person in my entire fcuking life who said “Racism is part of human nature”
Maybe you aren’t meeting the right people mustapha.
Do you and your friends believe that long ago one particular individual invented racism, taught it to his son, he passed it on to his son and ........it caught on in a big way, and now it’s a world wide phenomonen.
To say that racism is a learned behaviour is naive...or through fear of the unknown.
That’s more like it - fear of the unknown is innate, like racism. That’s why racism has always existed all over the world.
Posted by on Jan 22, 2006 @ 02:01 AMFolks the point here is that while only a small minority of football fans worldwide are racist imbecils, it still is a problem.
The fact that Brian Kerr has highlighted receiving these letters from what may or may not be ROI fans, shows the problems football is faced with.
The protesters ouside the ground and the Israeli embassy at the ROI v Israel match are no better, using a football match for Propaganda purposes. While they are entitled to protest against what they see as a oppressive regime in palestine, they have no right to use a Sporting occasion as a soap box.
Many in the South where quick to point their finger at their Northern Ireland neighbours when the Neil Lennon affair took off, so why the double standards.
I still think that initiatives could be set up by the FAI to combat this before it gets out of hand and also to highlight that ROI is vastly becoming a multi cultural society.Posted by on Jan 22, 2006 @ 12:10 PMDoctor Who:
Did you not write the following in this thread?
‘As someone from a Jewish background I have endured many years of #### from many walks of life including anti semite literature from fellow under graduates at Queen´s University.’
All I have asked you is to provide examples of what you consider anti-semitic literature. You haven’t and it now appears that what you are falling back on is the assertion that some nasty individuals handed you personal notes.
I’m not, by any stretch, a Holocaust denier, but it does say something about how incredibly bogus the Zionist case has become that they have to dip into such rubbish anytime they are confronted with their crimes in Palestine.
My last on this. It’s degenerated into a mud-slinging match, which I have no interest in.
As to my assertion that this is a unionist-run site, that is simply a statement of fact, which I’m sure the moderators would be happy to confirm for you.
Posted by on Jan 22, 2006 @ 01:14 PMSpartacus
The only person mud slinging here is you. You say on one hand that you would condemn any anti semitic sentiment and on the other you call me a liar and say any ctiticism of what you now refer to as the Zionist case, is met with allegations of anti semitism.
I have not once accused you of this….however you do a good job of it yourself.
You may like to know that Jewish folk who have no connection to the state of Israel whatsoever, are daily lambasted by people like you as being part of some sort of Zionist conspiracy.
Again why are you holding every Jewish person responsible for what you say are Zionist crimes in Palestine. This is a view held by many extreme anti Israeli “thinkers”, who preach that the world must be rid of the Jewish curse.
I suggest you go back under the stone you crawled from and take your David Icke conspiracy books with you.Posted by on Jan 22, 2006 @ 04:12 PMdoctor who:
give it a rest, will you? you say that you have not once acused me of antisemitism. yet the following three are excerpts from three separate posts from you, all directed at me.
‘perhaps you can go to Iran and join in the Holocaust didn´t happen debate’
‘Maybe you think that I´m part of a worldwide Jewish conspiracy’
‘I suggest you go back under the stone you crawled from and take your David Icke conspiracy books with you.’
perhaps you’d like to apologize, not having been aware of what you were suggesting.
let me say it one more time. i am not ‘holding every Jewish person responsible for…Zionist crimes in Palestine.’ far from it. i have known dozens and dozens of anti-zionist jews who i do not hold the least bit responsible for any crimes visited upon palestinians. some of them had family that perished in the holocaust, and are sickened by the way that the israeli state has used that experience to try to sidestep its own culpability in racism, torture, aspirations to genocide.
you began your foray out here with the assertion that you had witnessed anti-semitic literature being passed out at queen’s. i doubted that. you later qualified this to say you experienced hostility when trying to set up a ‘friends of israel’ group on campus. that clarified things a bit. you later qualified this further to say that it was personal, written ‘abuse’ that you yourself received personally, and not ‘literature’—as in, being distributed in public.
caught out, doctor who. see you on down the line.
Posted by on Jan 22, 2006 @ 05:38 PMSpartacus, good to see your actually backing down from your earlier diatribe.
Again you are wrong, If you read back you will see that I stated that I was not involved in the friends of Israel group, although there would be absolutely nothing wrong with it if I was.
I am also not the only one to comment on the stench of your posts and the generalisation of Jewish people as obvious supporters of the state of Israel. (you now seem to be backing down from this) You now claim to know many anti zionist Jews whose families suffered in the Holocaust. It´s a bit late in the day to be coming out with that one, next you will be telling me you visit them for passover.
Spartacus you are a prat but that dosn´t make you an anti semite, the stench of your earlier posts certainly indicate you have a problem with Jewish people, accusing them of hiding behind the Holocaust whenever the Palestinian problen is mentioned in the state of Israel thus associating every Jewish person with the state of Israel.
I will finally add that I have not been ambiguous about literature being directed toward me at Queens University, I never once said it was being distributed. However if you where an undergraduate at the end of the eighties any regalia you may have worn that indicated you where Jewish would have got you a kicking in the students Union. Now if your not aware of the students union at Queen´s being a hot bed of differnt aspirations and political extremes, well then you haven´t been there.Posted by on Jan 22, 2006 @ 10:53 PMMustapha
Your my wife now Dave.
Have to agree with the good Doctor, some of the posts from Spartacus really do reek, and on that note this thread should end.
Wanna buy some pegs Dave.
Posted by on Jan 22, 2006 @ 11:17 PM“The sectarian singing and sectarian language directed towards Lennon on the other hand is well documented.”
Jim,
There is a sizeable swathe of ROI/Celtic supporters who would not consider the booing and jeering of Neil Lennon by so called Northern Ireland fans to be sectatian at all…in fact, they would encourage it.
Posted by on Jan 23, 2006 @ 03:05 PMOn the subject of the ooh aah Paul Mc Grath chant - does anyone remember when Nelson Mandela came to Dublin in 1990 and was met with ‘ooh aah Paul Mc Grath’s Da’. They had a hard time trying to explain that one to him.
As for the good Doctor’s assertion that protesters ‘..have no right to use a Sporting occasion as a soap box…‘what about the anti-apartheid demos at Lansdowne Road in 1970 when the Boks came to town?
Posted by on Jan 23, 2006 @ 07:23 PM
