Wednesday, January 13, 2010
Jim Allister the latest prophet
How fascinating to see Jim Allister paying into rising expectations of a deal. He characterises J&P thus:
I must, therefore, warn unionists to prepare for a catastrophic roll-over by the DUP on meeting Sinn Féin’s strategic demand of ending British control of
policing and justice – the two most potent symbols of sovereignty in any nation.
So Jim has been an integrationist all along! But take a look at Scotland Jim, with its separate legal system lasting several centuries before the SNP devolved government. Scotland was still in the UK when I last looked . And note too that the NI judicial system peaks in the UK Supreme Court in Parliament Square Westminster, and that the Tories are pledging to introduce a Sovereignty bill to reaffirm the supremacy of Parliament he longs to sit in. So relax Jim, life is good.
Brian Walker @ 12:32 PM
‘So Jim has been an integrationist all along!’
No surprise there . His political stance re the Irish nationalist community has made that quite clear for anybody who their eyes open and their ears non shut . I’d go one further and suggest he is a closet ‘repartitionist ‘
Unionists /Unionism needs to recover from it’s obsession with P&J being some kind of ‘rubicon’ across which SF may not be allowed to cross . Similarly the Irish Language Act.
They could learn a lot from Scotland but then they could learn even more from a dispassionate examination of their own ‘historical’ experience when they themselves exercised complete control over police and justice .
Arlene Foster should move quickly ahead to lance both these ‘boils’ so that the DUP can go into the next elections with some sense of NI having crossed a rubicon from which their is no return to a failed past .
The TUV have nothing to offer except the past . As for the high falutin words on ‘sovereignty’ , ‘democracy’ blah blah . Load of ould cobblers in this day and age where even the USA has little control over it’s currency value and where half the people in western democracies hardly bother to vote .
Hopefully Arlene Foster will have the, no better not say that ;) the eh gumption to face down the troglodytes within the DUP ;) and keep the show going until at least the next Assembly election by which time the longer term economic and political outlook should be more visible assuming that the Westminster election will have been decided .
Posted by on Jan 13, 2010 @ 01:58 PMOne senses, that he realises that his moment has passed ...back to the political wilderness Jim.
Posted by on Jan 13, 2010 @ 02:06 PM#
One senses, that he realises that his moment has passed ...back to the political wilderness Jim.
Posted by Scaramoosh on Jan 13, 2010 @ 02:06 PMYes indeed the TUV disnasaurs nothng to offer us no alternative no future whats the TUV going to do about people losing there jobs the credit crunch answer nothing.Because the TUV are a one issue pressure group who want to take us back.TUV= http://www.omrp.co.uk thats whats the TUV no hopers are folks.
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One senses, that he realises that his moment has passed ...back to the political wilderness Jim.
Posted by Scaramoosh on Jan 13, 2010 @ 02:06 PMYes indeed the TUV disnasaurs nothng to offer us no alternative no future whats the TUV going to do about people losing there jobs the credit crunch answer nothing.Because the TUV are a one issue pressure group who want to take us back.TUV= http://www.omrlp.co.uk thats whats the TUV no hopers are folks.
Posted by Paul on Jan 13, 2010 @ 02:19 PMPosted by on Jan 13, 2010 @ 02:27 PMSo says Paul from the DUP Press office!
Posted by on Jan 13, 2010 @ 02:29 PMTut tut, Paul. You’re slipping back into Ulster Scots again. Think of us monoglots.
Posted by on Jan 13, 2010 @ 02:35 PMJim’s no mug whatever else you think of him.
He’s been handed one stick to beat the DUP with in the shape of the Robinson affair (no pun intended!), and now they’re busy pulling another blackthorn out of the hedge with a possible deal with Sinn Fein on policing and justice. A wee bit of work and it’ll be a fair decent oul stick as well.
I don’t think Jim can believe his luck, MP for North Antrim is as good as in the bag.
Posted by on Jan 13, 2010 @ 02:46 PM#
So says Paul from the DUP Press office!
Posted by buile suibhne on Jan 13, 2010 @ 02:29 PMLMAO DUP Press office hey good one that
Posted by on Jan 13, 2010 @ 02:55 PMJim Allister is like Bob McCartney. Never wrong but hard to take to your bosom. For incisive comment, he’s hard to beat.Not like the rest of the pussyfooters in political life in this part of Ulster.
Posted by on Jan 13, 2010 @ 02:57 PMStand by your beds (agin no DUP pun intended) the DUP are about to roll over, several MLAs will huff and puff some might even leave but its going to happen and unless their spin is a lot beeter than it has been this last 7 days the DUPs are going to get hammered.
Roll on the election
Posted by on Jan 13, 2010 @ 03:00 PM#
Tut tut, Paul. You’re slipping back into Ulster Scots again. Think of us monoglots.
Posted by socaire on Jan 13, 2010 @ 02:35 PMTut tut,playing the man and not the ball again tut tut
Posted by on Jan 13, 2010 @ 03:01 PM‘I don’t think Jim can believe his luck, MP for North Antrim is as good as in the bag.’
Even if . One clever crow on a bare tree won’t make the leaves grow or fall any faster . Listen to the sound of one hand clapping against the deaf wall of history .
Posted by on Jan 13, 2010 @ 03:19 PM..... the man’s balls, actually.
Posted by on Jan 13, 2010 @ 03:20 PMRoll on the election
Posted by ding dong on Jan 13, 2010 @ 03:00 PMtheres one today
Posted by on Jan 13, 2010 @ 03:31 PMGo on ahead Paul. You keep toeing the DUPe party line and run down Jim Allister. At least he knows what a manifesto committment means.
It’s all gone tits up for the DUPers since they broke their electoral promises and joined an executive as partners with unrepentant murderers. No amount of spin can get them or you out of that one.
Policing and Justice should NEVER be devolved to the sham executive - they can’t agree on the so-called ‘small’ things like Education, so God help us if they ever get to adjudicate on Justice.
Posted by on Jan 13, 2010 @ 03:45 PMmsg 7 martin
Sunny Jim will not win many assembly or westminster seats, but he will do the NI electorate a big favour by getting enough votes to prevent seats being won by duppers, and that can only be a good thing for people tired of dup baiting , jeering and general bigotry and sanctimonious lecturing.Posted by on Jan 13, 2010 @ 03:50 PMsocaire ,
’ the man’s balls, actually.’
If what you meant to say was ‘the man has balls’ I’d have to concur . However the attachment of said pendulants to the corpus in question , may not be indicative of the political ability to negotiate a permanent political future for NI.
NI needs ‘brains ’ It has long demonstrated it’s capacity in the matter of ‘balls’ although not of the soccer or rugby ilk .
I could be wrong but I can’t see SF forcing an election with Arlene Foster in the top seat . The woman is simply not hated enough by her political opponents to ensure a high SF/nationalist turn out .Posted by on Jan 13, 2010 @ 03:52 PMSorry, Greenflag. Still reeling from msg 12
Posted by on Jan 13, 2010 @ 03:55 PMJim Allister would be a good parliamentarian. I think he might bring a lot of added value to the Commons, even though I don’t agree with him. He has a great eye for detail and a passion for opposition. It would not upset me if he won North Antrim.
Posted by on Jan 13, 2010 @ 03:58 PMYeah Paul and the DUP were too scared to stand - even before this all blew up
Posted by on Jan 13, 2010 @ 03:58 PMIf you all can forgive me, I’m having difficulty understanding this whole policing and justice issue and so I would like to make sure I have my facts straight.
Security was part and parcel of the pre-prorogued Stormont government. Under current policing arrangements in Northern Ireland, there is an independent ombudsman, a policing board and various district policing partnerships all overseeing the police. Sinn Fein and the SDLP want a new department of policing and justice at Stormont, working in conjunction with the ombudsman, board and partnerships. The DUP are opposed to this because they have determined there is insufficient confidence in the Unionist community for such a department to exist. The UUP would like to see which way the wind is blowing before they declare what they think. Jim Alister is in a mode which says anything the DUP do is wrong, and is looking for any issue that he can exploit to lessen the DUP mandate.
Am I very wide of the mark?
Posted by on Jan 13, 2010 @ 04:02 PMPretty spot on Kev. Except the DUPes are so fond of their ministerial trappings that they are working towards ‘becoming’ content to set aside their reservations and agree the devolution of Policing & Justice.
The bald fact is that the whitewashing by our politicians of the squalid sectarian murderfest of 1966-date, as if no-one was to blame, means that they as a collective are not in any position to properly manage P&J. When will someone wake up to this fact?
Posted by on Jan 13, 2010 @ 04:14 PMPretty spot on Kev. Except the DUPes are so fond of their ministerial trappings that they are working towards ‘becoming’ content to set aside their reservations and agree the devolution of Policing & Justice.
The bald fact is that the whitewashing by our politicians of the squalid sectarian murderfest of 1966-date, as if no-one was to blame, means that they as a collective are not in any position to properly manage P&J. When will someone wake up to this fact?
Posted by on Jan 13, 2010 @ 04:16 PMOops! Damn this iPhone ‘submit’ button.
So good I said it twice!
Posted by on Jan 13, 2010 @ 04:18 PM#
Yeah Paul and the DUP were too scared to stand - even before this all blew up
Posted by ding dong on Jan 13, 2010 @ 03:58 PMWell sorry to disapoint you sir I voted alliance at the last election.I would vote in todays election for the UUP candidate. if I lived in that area to give the TUV a bloody nose the TUV offer us nothing.I predict the UUP will win the seat and beat the TUV quite easily and I would very much welcome that.Nobody in there right minds should give the TUV the time of day they offer us nothing and are a secetarian party.The TUV can spin the result all they like they would of lost a seat and that would be three elections contested by the TUV and three defeats lMAO.allister lost his MEPs seat the council seat they will lose and the Dromore by election which they also lost.Fact they are losers.
Posted by on Jan 13, 2010 @ 04:21 PM
