Thursday, July 27, 2006
In the propaganda war…
Fascinating site built to propagate the Israeli side in the PR war. Not least of interest is the entry to a CNN poll (which no longer appears on the front page) with only two options: vote for Israel, or not at all. It doesn’t even let you know what question you are supposed to be answering. Still, I’m sure it’s food for thought amongst our own back room politicos looking for a cunning plan. More impressive by far however is the forensic approach of some of the US bloggers, like this effort at mapping the activities of UNIFIL in South Lebanon. Thanks to Mick Hall for the heads up!
Mick Fealty @ 01:43 PM
Mick you seem to be signing up for mickhall’s crazy Jew conspiracy theory, the Israelis have launched a website, gee whizz, are there no Islamofascist websites or is it only the Jooooz you’re worried about?
Posted by on Jul 27, 2006 @ 02:02 PMJaysus thats analysis broken down to bits and put to shame anything I’ve seen from journalists here.
Posted by on Jul 27, 2006 @ 02:03 PMYeah Mick were are the radical Islamist links...especially the ones that have archive footage of beheadings…
Posted by on Jul 27, 2006 @ 02:05 PMCheck out the second link Harry. My focus was on the use of the medium not a judgement on the politics expressed within it. They are quite separate issues.
Posted by on Jul 27, 2006 @ 02:20 PMAnd the prize for whataboutery goes to Yokel and Harry! And you never even used the phrase “what about”!!!!
Posted by on Jul 27, 2006 @ 02:42 PMInternet ballot stuffing is nothing new as some Irish orchestrated campaigns of the past have proved. (Rememember the Dublin youngester who ended up in the Top 10 footballers of all time).
It would be nice to think that the reporting of the current conflict would be better balanced than it is here or in the U.K., where the imbedded hacks are just regurgitating anti-Israeli sentiment.
One of the Sky reporters left the cat out of the bag yesterday, admitting that they were being escorted around Tyre by Hizbollah people and told what to film.
We don’t need to be told what a pointless body of ineptitude masquarades under the name of UNIFIL. That’s been apparent for years. What we do need to know is why the Irish army still has people over there. This is wreckless endangerment by both UNO and the Irish government.
Posted by on Jul 27, 2006 @ 03:08 PMKeith
Remind me about how the incident you mentioned (think it was CNN not sky but could be wrong) Is any different to the journalists I see reporting among Israeli troops on the border?I don’t see too many interviews from Hezbollah but I see plenty from the IDF - that hilarious soundbite about them helping lebanon keeps going round my head.
I generally think Israel gets a hard time over things, but as regards Lebanon they get off lightly.
Posted by on Jul 27, 2006 @ 03:12 PMHow can anyone defend the bombing of a civilian population?
Try to put away your feelings for whatever side you sympathise with and see it for what it is; An army from one country are bombing another country in order to kill a guerilla army but killing many more innocent civilians in the process. This is clearly breaking international law and yet it is allowed to continue.
Posted by on Jul 27, 2006 @ 03:38 PM“Remind me about how the incident you mentioned (think it was CNN not sky but could be wrong) Is any different to the journalists I see reporting among Israeli troops on the border?”
The Israeli army is not using Lebanese women and children as human shields, as Hizbollah are doing. The “journalists” in Lebannon are barebly more than ambulance chasers based on the biased reports we are being fed.
MarkoBrando; perhaps you can tell us how you would get rid of Hizbollah and stop their ongoing attacks on Israel? Doing nothing isn’t an option.
Posted by on Jul 27, 2006 @ 03:54 PMKeith,
Did you advocate the Brits bombarding Dundalk, a territory in another country which was being used to launch terrorist attacks aimed at both civilians and soldiers? Of course not. Why should Israel get away with it then with no complaint.
Posted by on Jul 27, 2006 @ 03:57 PMI humbly submit a tool to help cut the crap, Fealty-san.
Mosaic appears on the LINKTV (tree hugger TV) web site. It is a collection of daily news reports from private and state controlled TV stations and networks. It provides English language broadcasts or an English language voiceover if the broadcast is in Arabic or Farsi. You can watch the show on the web site.
The English language shows obviously don’t have the pointed editing of Zionist fronts like MEMRI . The English language voiceovers could be tweaked but then the University of Georgia wouldn’t have given Mosaic the Peabody if they were an obvious front like MEMRI. Make up your own mind.
Lately they have been having panel discussions for a half hour before the running of the show on LINKTV (which I get through satellite.) Yesterday’s session is available on their “intelligence" blog and even had a guy that was with Netanyahu during the last peace attempt Clinton made. They don’t reach any more conclusions than the Sluggettes do but mindsets come across, some very odd to me like the Lebanese Christian woman last week blurting out that she viewed Hezbollah as “freedom fighters”. I sure as hell didn’t see that one coming.
Posted by on Jul 27, 2006 @ 04:19 PMKeith
right - so the allegation that one side is using human shields means that they can’t show journalists around....?Smilin’ Jim. I’ve been to Lebanon a couple of times and among others have come across Muslims who didn’t like Hezbollah and Christians who did (the latter tended to be left wingers who had spent time out of the country).
Posted by on Jul 27, 2006 @ 04:54 PM“the latter tended to be left wingers who had spent time out of the country”
I don’t know which foot she kicked with but she definitely was stateside.
The LINK studio is in San Francisco.
Posted by on Jul 27, 2006 @ 05:21 PM‘Did you advocate the Brits bombarding Dundalk, a territory in another country which was being used to launch terrorist attacks aimed at both civilians and soldiers?’
Garibaldy:
If circumstances had been the same, and so the PIRA had bases and fire points in Dundalk, then I would have been on for bombarding them.
Fortunately though, the ROI authorities had enough sense not to allow the PIRA to set up batteries of rockets, fortified bunkers etc openly on ROI territory. The real sitution was just s it was in NI - a few fanatics using safe houses and premises to launch their attacks from. What point would there have been in bombarding whole towns since you either didn’t know where the safe houses were, or if you did know, a specific strike (a raid) on that house was sufficient to deal with the threat?
I’ve seen others complain about constantly comparing NI with Israel, and here I agree with them. It wasn’t the same situation, although you try to make it seem the same.
If it actually had been the same situation, and the ROI government had allowed the PIRA to adopt Hezbollah tactics, then bombardment of places like Dundalk would have been justified.
Posted by on Jul 27, 2006 @ 05:31 PMQ: How can anyone defend the bombing of a civilian population?
A: Just ask Harpo. And serves them right for living in the wrong neighbourhoods too, aye Harpo? Its OK to kill civilians if their neighbours might be attacking you. Stretching this point only very slightly and you can justify all the sectarian murders of the troubles Harpo - but hopefully the men in white coats on the winky wagon will get you before that.
Posted by on Jul 27, 2006 @ 05:45 PMFrom the 7/26/06 UNIFIL press release…
“Another UN position of the Ghanaian battalion in the area of Marwahin in the western sector was also directly hit by one mortar round from the Hezbollah side last night. The round did not explode, and there were no casualties or material damage. Another 5 incidents of firing close to UN positions from the Israeli side were reported yesterday. It was also reported that Hezbollah fired from the vicinity of four UN positions at Alma ash Shab, Tibnin, Brashit, and At Tiri. All UNIFIL positions remain occupied and maintained by the troops.”
Posted by on Jul 27, 2006 @ 09:23 PMIt was also reported that Hezbollah fired from the vicinity of four UN positions at Alma ash Shab, Tibnin, Brashit, and At Tiri. All UNIFIL positions remain occupied and maintained by the troops.”
I don’t understand the intent of your emphasis here, Phreddy.
1. Are you telling us that the UN positions were being shared with Hezbollah as collusion, you know black helicopter stuff?
2. Or, are you telling us that the bombing of the UN outpost was because the IDF targeted that outpost after receiving fire from it?
Take the rest of the afternoon off and clarify this for us like a good lad.
Sorry I didn’t get to you before, the business just gets in my way.
Posted by on Jul 28, 2006 @ 01:00 AMNeither, James.
If they are allowing locations near their own sights to be used as firing positions, as their own press release would seem to indicate, can they really be called “neutral observers?”
Posted by on Jul 28, 2006 @ 01:13 AMMick, this is proof positive that your rationale in setting up this thread has failed. You do not need a web site to wage the propaganda war. You only need a willing dupe
If they are allowing locations near their own sights to be used as firing positions, as their own press release would seem to indicate, can they really be called “neutral observers?”
What we have here is failure to communicate.
neutral
Neutral people do not take sides or engage in combat.observer
Observers do nothing but observe.That region is heavily folded. The observation posts are on ridgetops. If you want to take a shot at the Israelis you have to be on the ridgetop too. DUH!!
UNIFIL took 257 KIA just so wannabes like you can spin this bullshit. How many times did you get hit?
UNIFIL has no remit for conducting combat field operations nor are they armed for it: No artillery, no air cover, just tracks and small arms. With two battalions, three platoons and one squad at headquarters, that leaves an average of 22 of all specialties, cooks, sparkies, motor pool at each of the 40 odd observation posts. They might be able to muster a squad or two to bleed all over the enemy.
Your black helicopter is waiting.
Posted by on Jul 28, 2006 @ 03:21 AMYou might like to check out this little gem from Bill Levenson on
on israpundit
. It might help to explain the obsessions of some of your zionist correspondents.Posted by on Jul 28, 2006 @ 12:07 PMMichael
Sadly I have a life to lead and missed your last posts on the other Lebanon conflict forum.
Lets have a look at some of your earlier points.
1- I know exactly how I’m spelling your name…
2- When the best thing you can do is plaster my email address on the forum you’ve clearly got no argument left. Please feel free to post it again if you wish, I’m sure the admin people on this forum would be delighted to discuss this with you.
3- Hizbollah bein pound for pound the best fighting force in the world? Now how did you expect me to react to that? Great attempt at a wind up but I’m not buying.May god bless you.
Posted by on Jul 28, 2006 @ 02:26 PMThat was posted by Yokel...I’m so concerned with the pitiful almost delirious state of Michael that I can’t stop thinking about whether its better to just put him to sleep…
Posted by on Jul 28, 2006 @ 02:27 PMApparently, James, Hizbollah has the same opinion of UNIFIL as you impute the Israelis have…
From the 24/6/06 UNIFIL press release:
“One unarmed UN military observer, a member of the Observer Group Lebanon (OGL), was seriously wounded by small arms fire in the patrol base in the Marun Al Ras area yesterday afternoon. According to preliminary reports, the fire originated from the Hezbollah side during an exchange with the IDF. He was evacuated by the UN to the Israeli side, from where he was taken by an IDF ambulance helicopter to a hospital in Haifa. He was operated on, and his condition is now reported as stable.”
Also, from the 25/6/06 UNIFIL press release:
“This morning, Hezbollah opened small arms fire at a UNIFIL convoy consisting of two armored personnel carriers (APC) on the road between Kunin and Bint Jubayl. There was some damage to the APCs, but no casualties, and the convoy was obliged to return to Kunin.”
Funny how the UN isn’t up on its high-horse about these attacks…
Posted by on Jul 28, 2006 @ 02:41 PMDread Cthulhu
Funny how the UN isn’t up on its high-horse about these attacks…
You mean the attacks where no one died? As opposed to the ones where 4 of their people did? Funny that.
AFAIK The Irish UNIFIL presence lost roughly the same amount of soldiers to both Israeli and Lebanese attacks over the years.
Posted by on Jul 28, 2006 @ 02:58 PMRingo: “You mean the attacks where no one died? As opposed to the ones where 4 of their people did? Funny that.”
Its not for a lack of trying, now is it?
How is Israel supposed to take seriously when UNIFIL stood back and allowed Hizbollah to entrench, to militarize the border, acquire the plethora of rockets (what, 1500+ launched thus far), all with nary a burp or “excuse me.”
Posted by on Jul 28, 2006 @ 03:10 PM
