Friday, June 30, 2006
Defining Success - Sinn Fein Style
Cookstown Sinn Fein Councillor, Michael McIvor, has been boasting about the murderous capacity of the PIRA. Apparently the fact that the CIRA and RIRA have failed to match their death toll of soldiers and police officers means they are “Brit-loving”.
Fair Deal @ 09:16 AM
I want to see this Brit loving spread.
Posted by on Jun 30, 2006 @ 09:23 AMUtterly disgraceful and irresponsible comments.Now that he has laid down the gauntlet, will he accept a measure of responsibility if they insist on trying to prove their Brit killing bona fides?
Posted by on Jun 30, 2006 @ 09:29 AMOh Gawd! You can just hear the collective groan from the SF leadership and publicity machine. While we can discern the point he is trying to make it was a rather unfortunate comparison to draw nevertheless not to mention throwing out a challenge to the really, truly, madly, deeply IRA geezers to prove their credentials with a bit of concentrated Brit-whacking.
A sure-fire formula for building the peace process no less.
I think he may be recalled for intensive retraining at the SF public speakers’ finishing school.
Posted by on Jun 30, 2006 @ 09:32 AMSounds like an attempt to limit the attractiveness of the RIRA/CIRA to some (the youth) in the area…
McIvor is obviously worried (rattled) about the growth of these groups in his area and is doing his bit to limit this...anyhoo that’s what it sounds like to me…Posted by on Jun 30, 2006 @ 09:34 AMSeabhac
It was shit attempt, do they let any half wit int the party these days?
Posted by on Jun 30, 2006 @ 09:38 AMYokel:
“It was shit attempt, do they let any half wit int the party these days?”
Which party would that be?
Talking of ‘Brit-loving’ is an obvious attempt to boost the provos at the expense of the others...you must take into account the (perhaps) intended audience of these remarks, that is, radical youngsters who are tempted to drift into more hardline company…
Posted by on Jun 30, 2006 @ 09:48 AMseabhac
But I thought the Provo’s were winding down? No? My mistake.
Posted by on Jun 30, 2006 @ 09:52 AMThe Blanket made the same point a long long time ago. Ah, what the hell. Oraniges don’t want peace. Just like Israel.
Posted by on Jun 30, 2006 @ 09:57 AMSo, we have two groups of Republicans in an argument over who klled the most brits, and within 8 posts it’s the Orangies fault for not wanting peace?
I don’t know why I bother coming here, this is fucking bollox, the same old shit every thread.
Posted by on Jun 30, 2006 @ 10:03 AMUtterly outrageous comments. If the Shinners had any balls they’d drop-kick this little bog man out.
Posted by on Jun 30, 2006 @ 10:05 AM“They have no support on the ground. If they are so strong, how come there is no dead enemies?” he said.
“Commentators love to come on the news and run down Sinn Féin and the movement.
“The IRA always wanted peace. That’s why I supported the movement.”
From ‘war’ to ‘peace’ - in a few sentences. What a plonker!!
Posted by on Jun 30, 2006 @ 10:07 AMChristopher Stalford:
“But I thought the Provo’s were winding down? No? My mistake.”
Winding down? They have wound up!
Weapons destroyed and all…I believe that McIvor is trying to say, in a clumsy way, that based on their history the Provo movement is actually the more serious/effective of the three groupings (CIRA,RIRA,Provos), and that their way of negotiated settlement (the peace process) is therefore the most likely, in the long run, to achieve their objectives…
Posted by on Jun 30, 2006 @ 10:10 AMoh dear the truth has popped it’s ugly head out again! what a blunder, quite comical really, SF try to put up this all inclusive peace loving mask, but a mask is all it is, every now and again the mask drops, and the real SF is upon us eg, guarda mcqade, northern bank, DD, mccartney etc etc etc they have changed.... really!!!
Posted by on Jun 30, 2006 @ 10:11 AMThe attempts by Thatcher and so on to criminalize republicans are nothing compared to SF’s attempts to criminalize republicans.
Posted by on Jun 30, 2006 @ 10:24 AMGrateful as I may be for the Connolly House explanatory note being added here (several times) by seabhah siulach I think we can all see straight to the repulsive nature of the comments.
Cllr McIvor clearly revels in the death of soldiers and policemen.
But then, its just the “orangies” (sic) who don’t want peace.
Posted by on Jun 30, 2006 @ 10:48 AM“The Blanket made the same point a long long time ago. Ah, what the hell. Oraniges don’t want peace. Just like Israel.”
Oh Taigs...unlike Israel the ‘oranigies’ have won AND got peace on almost exclusively their terms! Partition internationally recognised and endorsed in island wide referenda. No evidence that demographics will change that in anyone’s lifetime. RUC barely changed. SF leader nominating Ian Paisley to be First Minister in Stormont, administering British rule in the United Kingdom. All the guns decommissioned. MI5 setting up a massive HQ in North Down?! Senior Provos facilitating Orange parades through nationalist areas. How much more evidence do you need that the Provos were beaten?! No wonder you’re so sore!
Posted by on Jun 30, 2006 @ 10:49 AM“Cllr McIvor clearly revels in the death of soldiers and policemen.
But then, its just the “orangies” (sic) who don’t want peace. “
Does it matter what he says, no matter how distasteful, about things long in the past...surely all that matters that there is peace at the moment and this is likely to continue...nothing he said contradicts this…
Is it a surprise that some might have supported the Provo IRA’s actions in the past and that these are now in Sinn Fein? Is this a big surprise to everyone? Is so, amazingly sheltered lives ye must lead…
BTW I do not speak for Connolly House, merely in a personal capacity (as they say)Posted by on Jun 30, 2006 @ 11:00 AMseabhac siulach,
The point is he is boasting that ‘they’ killed more people than ‘them’.
Btw I would just stop now, even Gaskin et al must be kickin themselves for having people like McIvor in the party…
Posted by on Jun 30, 2006 @ 11:05 AMeven Gaskin et al must be kickin themselves for having people like McIvor in the party…
Why would that be the case FYU?
Posted by on Jun 30, 2006 @ 11:47 AMSeabhac
It was shit attempt, do they let any half wit int the party these days?
Posted by YokelYokel
No of course not, they have to be vetted by the British security services first.Posted by on Jun 30, 2006 @ 11:50 AMNo of course not, they have to be vetted by the British security services first.
A ridicilious comment, not up to your usual standard Mickhall
Posted by on Jun 30, 2006 @ 11:52 AMYou may wish to term Mr McIvor as a “Cookstown Sinn Fein Councillor”, but he lacks a mandate so his comments ought not to be taken too seriously.
Posted by on Jun 30, 2006 @ 11:54 AMWhy would that be the case FYU?
So you agree with his comments?
Posted by on Jun 30, 2006 @ 11:58 AMSo you agree with his comments?
Did I say that?
I just wondered why you would think that even Gaskin et al must be kickin themselves for having people like McIvor in the party
Posted by on Jun 30, 2006 @ 12:03 PMNathan,
You may wish to term Mr McIvor as a “Cookstown Sinn Fein Councillor”, but he lacks a mandate so his comments ought not to be taken too seriously.
His mandate is legally equal to all of the others, whether or not a vote was needed. He is ‘termed’ a councillor because he is one.
Posted by on Jun 30, 2006 @ 12:15 PM
