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October 06, 2005 Newton's modest proposal Newton Emerson in excellent form, once again, in today's Irish Times, Updated Newton's kindly given Slugger permission to reprint the full text. Many thanks, Newton - What about a generation of generators? heh. Posted by: peteb at October 6, 2005 02:48 PM Why use the children , when there's enough "hot-air" from our politicians to power a sub-station. Posted by: spirit-level at October 6, 2005 02:50 PM Is this piece not just a rip off of that Victorian satire piece about solving the problem of poor children by using them for food? (I wish I could remember who wrote it.) Posted by: fair_deal at October 6, 2005 02:53 PM D'Oh! Fair Deal - I think that's why they captioned it "A modest proposal". Posted by: Shore Road Resident at October 6, 2005 02:55 PM Fair_Deal, I think that's the whole point ... note Pete's choice of header ('Newton's Modest Proposal') ... the original essay, entitled 'A Modest Proposal,' was written by Jonathan Swift. Posted by: SlugFest at October 6, 2005 02:56 PM And there's a link to the Gutenberg Project's text of Swift's Modest Proposal in the original post. Posted by: peteb at October 6, 2005 02:58 PM Thanks sluggers. I remembered neither the name of the author or the article. It was quoted in 5th year class at school (over 17 years ago). I am already well aware of my inadequacies when it comes to literary appreciation as my D in English Lit proved, it is obvious that time has not improved them. Posted by: fair_deal at October 6, 2005 03:03 PM Nor when it was written, fair-deal ;) here's the link to where you can download the Gutenberg Project text of Swift's A Modest Proposal, again Posted by: peteb at October 6, 2005 03:07 PM Not one of Newts better articles. Posted by: TAFKABO at October 6, 2005 03:10 PM Pete B., Is it really necessary to point out our intellectual inadequacies by pointing out the obvious? ;) Posted by: SlugFest at October 6, 2005 03:10 PM Where's the satire in this? Emerson ridicules alright, but not as a means of provoking or preventing change, but simply to riducule. Hardly thought provoking, more akin to having to listen to someone tell you how smart they are. In comparison, Swift concludes in his modest proposal by listing what he wanted to change in Ireland: "I calculate my remedy for this one individual Kingdom of Ireland, and for no other that ever was, is, or, I think, ever can be upon Earth. Therefore let no man talk man talk to me of other expedients: Now these are proposals. Newton Emerson doesn't have a proposal, modest or otherwise. I'm with TAFKABO, although "not one of his best" is putting it mildly. Posted by: George at October 6, 2005 03:27 PM Peterb It is probably because Swift hated the Ulster-Scots (from his time as an Anglican minister in East Antrim) so much that I have banished him from my mind ;P Posted by: fair_deal at October 6, 2005 03:30 PM Have to say, as one of Newt's longest standing and firmest admirers - [With admirers like that, etc. - edited moderator] Posted by: In Awe at October 6, 2005 03:31 PM fair_deal "It is probably because Swift hated the Ulster-Scots.." Sources? Posted by: Biffo at October 6, 2005 03:35 PM Fair_Deal, Wasn't Swift friends with C.S. Lewis -- an Ulster Scot? (he was considered an Ulster Scot, wasn't he? I'm a Yank so neither writer was covered in my school days, 'cept maybe at university). Not that you can't be friends on an individual basis (hate the sin, love the sinner -- JUST KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!) -- just looking for more info is all. Posted by: SlugFest at October 6, 2005 03:37 PM Maybe it's because it happens to be party conference time, but the article made me think of Tory conferences gone by, when the likes of Peter Liley would do "funny" skits about single mothers, to rapturous applause from the party faithful. Posted by: TAFKABO at October 6, 2005 03:41 PM ““Wasn't Swift friends with C.S. Lewis ?““ Not unless one or other of them had a time machine! You may (somehow) be confusing Swift with J.R.R. Tolkien who was a friend and colleague of C.S. Lewis. Posted by: foreign correspondent at October 6, 2005 03:42 PM Foreign Correspondent, D'oh! Consider my face red (how do you guys say it -- 'puling a reddener'?)! Rather than take responsibility for my ignorance, I'll simply blame the American education system. Posted by: SlugFest at October 6, 2005 03:47 PM that should be 'pulling', not 'puling' Posted by: SlugFest at October 6, 2005 03:50 PM Do a google and you'll get the info Posted by: fair_deal at October 6, 2005 04:00 PM Biffo. i too had heard he disliked Ulster-Scots. "and about the same period he published his tract on the proposed abolition of the sacramental test in Ireland, displaying his intense antipathy to the Scotch Presbyterianism in Ulster, which he considered the one great danger of the Irish establishment." Posted by: Deezer at October 6, 2005 04:12 PM How amusing - a satirical article and lots of made up comments as well. Posted by: ganching at October 6, 2005 04:14 PM Re Swift and Ulster Scots: Some sources: Swift, 'A Letter from a Member of Parliament in Ireland to a Member of Parliament in England, concerning the Sacramental Test' (1708), 'On the Words "Brother Protestants and Fellow Christians" so familiarly used by the advocates for the repeal of Test', (1733), Louis Landa, 'Swift and the Church of Ireland' (1954)
Posted by: Jams O'Donnell at October 6, 2005 05:50 PM For all Emerson's talents for satire and self-promotion (and he is amusing and incisive a lot of the time), it has always been clear that he is no friend of the underprivileged, the uneducated, the disenfranchised or the dispossessed. His wit here barely conceals a naked hatred and a seemingly wilful incomprehension of those less fortunate than himself.(See Portadown News ad infinitum.) Posted by: P Ring at October 7, 2005 09:31 AM |
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