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May 10, 2005 MEPs overwhelming pass resolution on McCartney murder MEPs today passed a resolution to provide financial support if a civil case is pursued by the family of Robert McCartney - using an existing fund for victims of terrorism. In the resolution "MEPs condemn violence and criminality by the self-styled 'Irish Republican Army' (IRA) in Northern Ireland, in particular the murder of Robert McCartney" and "calls on the leadership of Sinn Féin to insist that those responsible for the murder and witnesses to the murder cooperate directly with the Police Service of Northern Ireland and be free from the threat of reprisals from the IRA".. The motion was passed by 555 votes in favour and 4 against, 48 abstained. At the minute it's not completely clear whether, as the BBC reports, the 2 SF MEPs voted against, or merely abstained. Update according to the official record both SF MEPs abstained (PDF file page28) Thanks Zorglub. Another Update The BBC have corrected their report. Yet another Update The BBC just reported live from Strasbourg and stated that the 2 SF MEPs voted against financial support being given for any future civil case and abstained from voting on other sections of the resolution.. Hmm. Final Update According to the offical record. 3 votes were taken. 'Par. 1', 'Par. 3' Text of resolution available here Press release from European Parliament today - Motion for a resolution (to wind up the debate on the statement by the Commission) on violence and criminality by the self-styled "Irish Republican Army" (IRA) in Northern Ireland, in particular the murder of Robert McCartney
'Par 1' and 'Par 3' would appear to refer to the relevant parts of the resolution. 1. Condemns violence and criminality by the self-styled "Irish Republican Army" (IRA) in Northern Ireland, in particular the murder of Robert McCartney; 3. Calls on the leadership of Sinn Féin to insist that those responsible for the murder and witnesses to the murder cooperate directly with the Police Service of Northern Ireland and be free from the threat of reprisals from the IRA; The 2 SF MEPs voted against those parts of the resolution.. and then abstained in the final vote on the resolution. It is obviously not clear at all. The official results give abstention for the two SF MEPs. There is a need of clarification, not only from SF but also from the EP. modified but only to restore formatting A.U. Posted by: Zorglub at May 10, 2005 04:15 PM Oh Dear Gerry & the Marxists are going to be even more Euro-Sceptic now. Posted by: Gerry Lvs Castro at May 10, 2005 04:22 PM Am an sorry to disappoint all the anti-republicans out there but... Nobody, NO-BODY, takes any note of the European parliament. This will be noticed by precisely 0 people outside the six counties. Posted by: unapologetic taig at May 10, 2005 04:27 PM Nobody, NO-BODY, takes any note of the European parliament. if that's the case how come the SF MEPs funded the an Fhirinne visit ???? Posted by: Davros at May 10, 2005 04:30 PM just to confirm - SF MEPs abstained on motion. BBC is factually incorrect, they have changed their story to reflect this Posted by: bbc got it wrong at May 10, 2005 04:32 PM Why would anyone vote against it? Who are the 4? Posted by: maca at May 10, 2005 04:34 PM Unapologetic Taig: FYI, Le Monde has published an article about the 4th May vote at the EP: http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0,36-647175,0.html Posted by: Zorglub at May 10, 2005 04:34 PM Unapologetic person, This is not about how long you can get away with murder, it is about how long people can live without principles. You can't keep ignoring people, including the representatives of democratic Europe. You have to ask yourself when exactly do the Republican movement accept that moving towards democratic accountability means moving away from ambiguity on matters such as murder. It is time that those who were present and refuse to talk were no longer condoned in their silence, instead they must be condemned for that portion of guilt that properly belongs to their contribution to the denial of justice. At some stage mere comradeship must give way to decency, and it is already well past that stage. Posted by: Alan at May 10, 2005 04:38 PM ''Nobody, NO-BODY, takes any note of the European parliament. This will be noticed by precisely 0 people outside the six counties.'' Strange it was the lead story on BBC 5 Live News at 4pm and has also been heavily featured on the BBC World Service. It's a major blow to the Marxists and this one is going to run and run. Posted by: Gerry Lvs Castro at May 10, 2005 04:42 PM If nobody takes notice of the EU Parliament then perhaps SF is not interested in the Peace funding that underpins so much of the community sector here? If after all the EU doesn't matter and no one takes notice no one will notice when all the money is gone? No? Anyone? Posted by: PEACEFUNDINGNOTHANKS at May 10, 2005 04:50 PM Nationalists have been trying to internationalise the Irish situation for the last 100 years and more. No use crying 'internal problem' the next time Britain's shocking record gets raised at Brussels. Posted by: lib2016 at May 10, 2005 06:34 PM NB The BBC just reported live from Strasbourg and stated that the 2 SF MEPs voted against financial support being given for any future civil case and abstained from voting on other sections of the resolution.. Hmm. Posted by: peteb at May 10, 2005 06:37 PM ''Nobody, NO-BODY, takes any note of the European parliament. This will be noticed by precisely 0 people outside the six counties.'' ahem...it was the number one item on the RTE news! Posted by: Keith M at May 10, 2005 06:52 PM Another NB - see updates to original post. According to the offical record. 3 votes were taken. 'Par. 1', 'Par. 3' (I'd suggest that refers to Paragraphs 1 and 3)and 'Resolution'. Both SF MEPs voted against Par. 1 and Par. 3.. and abstained in the final vote. Posted by: peteb at May 10, 2005 06:58 PM Doh! Update 'Par 1' and 'Par 3' would appear to refer to the relevant parts of the resolution. 1. Condemns violence and criminality by the self-styled "Irish Republican Army" (IRA) in Northern Ireland, in particular the murder of Robert McCartney; 3. Calls on the leadership of Sinn Féin to insist that those responsible for the murder and witnesses to the murder cooperate directly with the Police Service of Northern Ireland and be free from the threat of reprisals from the IRA; The 2 SF MEPs voted against those parts of the resolution.. and then abstained in the final vote on the resolution. Posted by: peteb at May 10, 2005 07:07 PM Guys, unfortunately very few people do care about the European Parliament, least of all the Commission and the Council! The European Parliament is at the moment second only to the Stormont assembley in the league of wastes of tax payers money. Giving it some powers would change this, but at the moment it really is just a talking shop that from time to time can be financially generous. Posted by: G Washington at May 10, 2005 07:31 PM Nationalists have been trying to internationalise the Irish situation for the last 100 years and more. No use crying 'internal problem' the next time Britain's shocking record gets raised at Brussels. Golly. You're right. Irish nationalists have been trying to internationalise it since, well, 1798 or so. SO IT'S A LITTLE LATE for the SF hardcore to start kvetching about it or protest too much that it doesn't matter to them, knowhadimean? Posted by: Richard Delevan at May 10, 2005 07:37 PM My God, next they'll be complaining about TDs politicking in the north! Oh wait... Posted by: Gonzo at May 10, 2005 07:54 PM Yeah! You've got it right and republicans can have disagreements. In my opinion this is good for republicanism in the long term but others seem to differ. We'll see. Posted by: lib2016 at May 10, 2005 08:44 PM Maybe someone will be kind enough to explain - just what exactly did Sinn Fein as a party or the IRA as an organisation do in relation to the McCartney murder? I seem to recall that individuals who happened to be in either or organisations were involved in this brutal murder. It is therefore logical that some form of sanctions should be levelled against Bertie Ahern because Ray Burke now languishes in jail thanks to his tax evasion; the UUP leadership(whoever that is) should be made accountable for the alleged criminal actions of Michael McParland etc. I suggest to all who despise Sinn Fein, to rapidly get used to the fact that they are not going to go away. The recent political onslought directed at the Party was of mammouth proportions, and they still still survived intact and stronger. This story may run and run as some may hope but it is effectively dead in the water after the spectacular SF election results. Posted by: Snapper at May 10, 2005 09:24 PM it is effectively dead in the water after the spectacular SF election results. Reminds me of Saddam's victory parade after Gulf War I. Posted by: Davros at May 10, 2005 09:27 PM Davros - I really thought you had more sense. Care to outline the parallels? Posted by: Snapper at May 10, 2005 09:34 PM Saddam claimed his army had had a spectacular success - they hadn't. You just gushed that SF election results were "spectacular" - they weren't. They would have been spectacular if they had taken Derry from Durkan , but it's fair to say SF had a reasonable amount of success. No more than that. It could be argued on the other hand, sadly, that the DUP election results were spectacular. Posted by: Davros at May 10, 2005 09:41 PM Are you really saying that in the face of the biggest onslought in political history a party not only consolidates it's vote but increases it, is not spectacular? Come off it. As for the DUP, their results were spectacular. However, I believe that if the UUP had any backbone the results would have been so different. The UUP handed the election to the DUP on a plate. Posted by: Snapper at May 10, 2005 09:46 PM the biggest onslought in political history That REALLY takes the biscuit :) MOPE becomes MOPPE. What are YOU smoking ? ;) Posted by: Davros at May 10, 2005 09:50 PM ''This story may run and run as some may hope but it is effectively dead in the water after the spectacular SF election results.'' One fairly obvious result of the election is that the SF/IRA vote in Northern Ireland is hitting the buffers. They've managed to coax the disgruntled republican non-voters to put their x beside SF candidates and they've coaxed some away from the SDLP. But given the robust SDLP showing, it's difficult to see where they can increase their vote in the future. Posted by: Gerry Lvs Castro at May 10, 2005 10:00 PM I believe Devine is up for sentencing this week for the stabbing of a doorman a couple of years ago Maybe this might bring a few developments in the case Posted by: quis at May 10, 2005 11:05 PM I didnt get to see it but what names if any were mentioned ? Posted by: Pronsias at May 10, 2005 11:12 PM Report carried in Irish Independent includes names: Posted by: Davros at May 10, 2005 11:22 PM sf have done all they can do for this family. what else can they do? the so called intimidation of witnesses in our area is non-existant. the mccartneys lies might work on tv but at the end of the day, they will not help their case Posted by: short strand resident at May 10, 2005 11:57 PM Davros said "They (the SF results) would have been spectacular if they had taken Derry from Durkan" Does ANYONE who regularly reads our friends post really believe that had SF won Foyle that Davros would be online straight away describing it as "spectacular"...? Posted by: Levitas at May 11, 2005 12:28 AM Are you still sucking those sour grapes Levitas ? ;) Of course, and here I'll have to explain something obvious to most people for simple drones like Levitas to follow, I wouldn't have used the word "spectacular" If SF had done to the SDLP what the DUP managed to do to the UUP. The point is that we aren't discussing what I would say , we are discussing whether or not republican cheerleaders would be justified in using that word, so beloved of the IRA, spectacular. Hope that helps Levitas, but if you are still struggling , then you should return to your natural environment, dannyMorrison.com. You might even be one of the smarter ones there. Posted by: Davros at May 11, 2005 09:15 AM |
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