No witnesses and no forensics? Sounds like somebody is due a sub from the European Parliamnet.

Of course this won't even be mentioned in the widely read press, let alone discussed in national and European parliaments. Why ? Because it doesn't suit a certain political agenda, it doesn't show republicans in a bad light.

"Of course this won't even be mentioned in the widely read press"

The Belfast Telegraph is the most widely read newspaper in Northern Ireland.

Thugs who carry out such attacks have no place in a civilised society never mind in a civilised government.

Only a few years ago the UDA were very vociferous in support of the Belfast agreement in the same way as IRA/Sinn Fein et al.

These types are not interested in "peace in our time" but only in "peace on our terms" which will no peace at all.

One wonders will Wim Wallister use the body of the European parliament to name those responsible. After all i'm sure the names of those responsible will be more accessible to unionists than those of alleged republicans

Indeed there is a history of unionist MP's using Westminster to do the very same thing, sorry hold on, they used Westminster to name alleged republicans on every single occasion, apparently they didn't know any loyalists.

Just joking, I know that no unionist MP or MEP will ever name a suspected loyalist under privilege. It's a mixture of being afraid they might name names right back and outright sectarianism

Pat

A truly tortuous piece even for you and surely the logic applies in reverse, SF doesn't go about publicly naming republicans only loyalists so they must be afraid and sectarian too.

Also there isn't much need to publicly name loyalists hardly a week goes by without one of them being named in the media.

I believe that the behaviour of Wallister and his opportunistic ramblings do have sectarian overtones.

The fact remains that we are lectured by unionist politicos at every turn that they condemn all violence etc etc. here is a chance, to just once, prove that they adopt the same tactics across the board.

They won't and i believe you know it.

I am not aware of any UUP or DUP representative who would not have a problem with saying the following about this murder "I condemn this murder. It is a vicious crime. Those responsible must be brought before the courts. Anyone with information should take it to the police at once."

The McCartney circumstances does not equal the circumstances of this vicious murder. Has any member of the UUP and DUP been implicated? Has any member of the UUP and DUP helped cover up the killing? Has a member of the UUP and DUP criticised the PSNI for investigating the murder rather than those who attacked them? Has a DUP or UUP member claimed it is 'knife culture' and an 'incident'? Has the DUP or UUP denied their members were involved then later admitted otherwise? Has the DUP or UUP refused to tell people to go to the police with any information they had?

On the broader point civil suits are a good potential weapon against terrorist and criminal groups. They have had some success in the USA against racist groups.

"Of course this won't even be mentioned in the widely read press"

The Belfast Telegraph is the most widely read newspaper in Northern Ireland.

Posted by: fair_deal at May 11, 2005 04:58 PM

OK I was thinking of this in global terms, that's what the McCartneys have done and the bandwaggoners have used that global interest to their own political ends.

If you want to blinker yourself in that way that's your choice.

Daithi

A number of other cases e.g. the murders in Derry have also received coverage in the regional and national media (UK and RoI).

Other cases have been highlighted by the national and international media that the republican community wants to promote e.g. Finucane et al. Lift your blinkers.

Will the E.U. fund a civil case against the murderers of this innocent man

"Only a few years ago the UDA were very vociferous in support of the Belfast agreement in the same way as IRA/Sinn Fein et al."

So what do you suggest we do with them ?

The lower Newtownards Road has UDA graffiti and paramilitary regalia right along it. Is the DUP MP for the area going to stand up and say that it should be removed ? If not why not ?

This is the second death attributed to loyalist groupings this year

The murderers of Lisa Dorrian are widely known within the local community and presumably there were witnesses to the vicious attack and murder of Stephen Nelson and names would also be known within that locality

I have yet to hear any of these names printed in the press or their names mentioned in Parliament

Why ?

There is also plenty of uvf graffiti

The uvf control large parts of the Newtownards Road/Dee Street area.

I don't see the uup/dup shunning the uvf's political representative/councillor in the area.

I didn't hear much moaning from unionists about the electing of this terrorist rep.

I have yet to hear any of these names printed in the press or their names mentioned in Parliament

Why ?

Gerry dosent know them yet maybe.

On Unionism and the paramilitary linked parties, the DUP and UUP has almost won the electoral battle against such parties pity nationalism can't say the same.

"presumably there were witnesses to the vicious attack and murder of Stephen Nelson"

Read the linked article his brother comments "There were no actual witnesses to the attack".

"Five people were arrested at the time, but later released without charge"

Surely the names of those questioned about the murder would be known within the locality,seeing as they were arrested.

Why have the names of these suspects not been mentioned in the local press ?

Another loyalist punishment last night,this time in Bangor

I haven't heard any reaction from politicians today

I used live in Belfast and only found out about Stephen's death yesterday. I was shocked. A more gentle man you could not meet. I also used to work for the Belfast Telegraph and I blame them more than the UDA. For it is the lazy journalists who use balnket terms like UDA to hide the truth that these are scared little boys who could only take a man down when they run like a pack of dogs.

Loyalist? Loyal to turning their women in to prostitutes through drugs and their children into pushers.

Ireland who ever stakes their flag, will never be free until its soild is free from these gansters on all sides.

Peace