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April 05, 2005 Ditching Constantine Fintan O'Toole, in the Irish Times, picks up on the often contradictory imperial and spiritual roles of the papacy and quotes the 17th Century philosopher, Thomas Hobbes - "The Papacy is nothing other than the ghost of the deceased Roman Empire, sitting crowned upon the grave thereof." - He argues that it is the remnants of that imperial past that informs the current "temporarily bewitching media attraction, but [that] it is in fact a spectre that the church has to exorcise". He ends with a challenge - "The question now is whether the church can finally ditch Constantine and get back to Christ. Can it lay the ghost of the Roman imperium and become something other than a male gerontocracy?" It's an interesting question - although whether he's right when he claims "the age of empires is over" isn't exactly clear yet. The full article is below - Shaking off the trappings of Empire - Fintan O'Toole 'The Papacy," wrote Thomas Hobbes in the 17th century, "is nothing other than the ghost of the deceased Roman Empire, sitting crowned upon the grave thereof." He thus summed up both the allure and the danger of the pomp that surrounds the death of Pope John Paul II. "temporarily bewitching media attraction, but [that] it is in fact a spectre that the church has to exorcise". John Paul II did just this, he removed the pope's temporal crown from the very start, putting it aside, and never wore it again. 'He issued edicts and expected them to be obeyed without demur.' Oh, and I thought he was the spiritual leader of 1.2 billion people. 'He surrounded himself with a praetorian guard, chosen more for its loyalty and orthodoxy than visionary intelligence.' Hang on; are we talking about those lethal praetorians that carry spears? If ever anything was symbolic it's the Swiss guards, and least we forget, the man was a target for assassination. I sincerely hope their was more than the 'zombie praetorian guard' in baggy stockings to protect him. Posted by: smcgiff at April 5, 2005 12:48 PM Chris Caldwell's argument is more in line with Seamus' view. He states that in certain significant ways John Paul II was the first post Constantinian Pope. Posted by: Mick at April 5, 2005 12:57 PM I think the reference to praetorian guard is more about the upper echelons of the 'princes of the Church' than the baggy-trousered halberd bearers. Posted by: Cathal at April 5, 2005 01:07 PM 'I think the reference to praetorian guard is more about the upper echelons of the 'princes of the Church' than the baggy-trousered halberd bearers.' You're probably right, Cathal. I was taking it as a bit too literal. But, who can be blamed for promoting those that are of a like mind. I don't think John Paul II would mind being described as loyal to the Orthodoxy of the RC church's doctrine. Posted by: smcgiff at April 5, 2005 01:11 PM To be fair, Mick, Fintan O'Toole takes the points raised by Chris Caldwell, and argues that, in some ways, John Paul II may have appeared to be post-Constantine - "He may have dumped some of the outward monarchical baggage of the Papacy" - but not in other, more significant, ways. Posted by: peteb at April 5, 2005 01:12 PM "who can be blamed for promoting those that are of a like mind?"
Posted by: robert the red at April 5, 2005 02:29 PM 'If such are the ONLY people promoted, then a great deal of blame should be dealt out. This policy is sure to lead to a brain-dead organization. Highly talented people are not all of a like mind.' Quite right, Robert. In fact, I'm making you my hero for today. Posted by: smcgiff at April 5, 2005 02:35 PM Wasn't this all already done in, say, the mid-1500s? By a monk from Wittenberg? And some theologians in Geneva? And, perhaps less elegantly, by a rowdy English monarch?
Posted by: Doug at April 5, 2005 05:13 PM The neo-imperial ambitions of the US are already doomed. An odd comment: more like wishful thinking; there's legs on it yet. And what about its cultural imperialism? As long as there's a globe, there'll be the desire for an empire. Posted by: JD at April 5, 2005 05:32 PM Yeah, what did the Americans ever do for us? Well, now ya mention it... Posted by: Gonzo at April 5, 2005 06:37 PM |
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