"requesting that the remit of the international monitoring commission ... could be extended to the Republic."

Good idea I reckon, all activities of these groups should be monitored, no matter where they are.

Sun, Sep 14 2003 is the date on the Castlereagh story. If it was going to have an impact on Sinn Fein support that would have been reflected in the European and Local Elections where the party did very well. Bringing it up as if it was new is believed to be an attempt to create a sense of crisis where none exists.

In a raid on Bennett’s house the police also found a list of criminals, believed to have been drawn up so that the IRA could target figures who refused to pay protection money. The IRA is believed to have shot dead at least five Dublin criminals in the past two years.

Who believes it and on what basis?

Imposing the prison terms, the judge noted that both men had a conviction for threatening to use a weapon during anti-drug activities.

Binead is an anti-drugs activist. It is believed that is the real reason he had details of criminals.

Provisional Sinn Féin is a quite despicable party. But Henry94 is quite correct: this episode will probably have no impact whatsoever on their electoral success. It is a sad reflection on their supporters that they continue to vote for a party of criminals and thugs.

"It is a sad reflection on their supporters that they continue to vote for a party of criminals and thugs"

... or a sad reflection on your country Willow that you've put yourselves in the situation where your biggest parties who represent the majourity of the people are like this.

p.s. shouldn't that be Binéad?

Binead is an anti-drugs activist.

cough, cough :)

Interesting that nobody has called for O Snodaigh to be disciplined.

Davros

Interesting that nobody has called for O Snodaigh to be disciplined.

For what? Guilt by association?

Binead is an anti-drugs activist. It is believed that is the real reason he had details of criminals.

Which explains why the data on former Justice ministers was also found - he was going to inform them directly about the baddies in Dublin.

Come on Henry, the IRA is a subversive organisation - you can rabbit on about the lack of concrete proof about their activities, and when there is proof beyond reasonable doubt claim it is a conspiracy - but it only works with the poorly educated, the brainwashed and the sinister.

Davros :Interesting that nobody has called for O Snodaigh to be disciplined.

For what?

For the same behaviour as people like you berate the DUP for failing to discipline the ghastly Wm McCrea :)

1)Associating with a convicted killer
2)Associating with the man "believed by Gardai to be the IRA's head of intelligence in the city"...

Binead is an anti-drugs activist

DAAD rings a bell. What better way to camoflage "Taxing" drug dealers than to claim that when those who won't pay are killed one is acting in the interest of the community ?

Ah, yes, there was a drugs link in the Hanratty case as well Henry :) The case where Sinn Féin as a PARTY were found guilty of sending a convicted terrorist round to give someone a hammering ;)

Four years for SF pair found guilty of IRA membership

The judge added that the two men had not been convicted solely on the word of a Garda Chief Superintendent, as had been reported in the media.

The two men were arrested after gardai arrested five other men following suspicious activity around three vehicles in Corke Abbey, Bray, Co Wicklow on October 10, 2002. Various items, including a sledgehammer, radios and a black balaclava, were found inside a transit van and a Nissan Almera.

Binead's thumbprint was found on the roll of black tape found in the Nissan Almera and the third car involved belonged to a woman who is the partner of Donohoe.

And don't forget the attack on Bobby Tohill was merely a "bar brawl".

A couple of Provos were out for a night's drinking dressed in boiler suits and carrying pepper spray!

This is a majr embarrassment for SF/IRA in general and O'Snodaigh in particular. Whether it impacts them at the ballot box is questionable. They tend to draw their support in Dublin from large local authority housing estates (there are large estates like Ballyfermot and Dolphin's Barn in Snodaigh's Dublin South Central constituency) where they are associated with local vigilanies. Some would argue that it is the kind of "work on the ground" rather than any ideological cause that has seen SF/IRA's gain in Dublin. (A map of where the party won seats in the recent local elections confirm this).

The fact that PIRA gathered a large amount of money in the past from drugs and thereby helped create the current problem seems to be forgotten.

Certainly the idea of speading the work of the IMC to this country should be considered.

Imagine the fuss if one of the five in court yesterday in Belfast had been a senior member of the DUP ;)

I don't know if anyone saw O'Snodaigh on the RTE news last night outside Leinster House looking decidedly uncomfortable while telling the nation that the convictions were unsound and would be overturned in the appeals court.

Did wonders for Sinn Feins new image here no doubt - a TD frothing at the mouth while declaring that the court wrongly convicted his buddy of membership of the IRA.

It's time for Sinn Féin to stop running with the fox while hunting with the hounds. Have to laugh at Gerry Kelly sniping at the UDA ceasefire ... and none of the five have been charged with UDA membership ;)

Some would argue that it is the kind of "work on the ground" rather than any ideological cause that has seen SF/IRA's gain in Dublin.

Would anyone with any wit argue that it wasn't the work on the ground?

Would anyone with any wit argue that it wasn't the work on the ground?

Well there certainly is a level of respectability that is directly attributable to the peace process in the north and unrelated to any Sinn Feiner in Dublin. Go back to the early nineties when - as Davros mentioned DAAD were on the go and there were anti-drug marches with at a very least a strong Sinn Fein influence, yet there was no Sinn Fein TD in Dublin (or anywhere in the Republic). Sinn Fein was active on the ground in the Ballymuns and Dolphins Barns, but couldn't really get out from under the bad press that went with the IRA.

All the 'work on the ground' would have been fruitless without the IRA cease-fire and daily images of Gerry Adams trying to make things better.

Sean Crowe would probably have made it on his own to the Dail based on his constituency work but I don't think any of the others would have.

And looks like O'Snodaigh won't have to go to the prison to get his photo taken with Garda McCabe's
killers soon:

Bertie says their release is tied into the deal to end all deals....

Why, I don't know.

The Judge (sic) stated that he also found them guilty on the basis that they were insolent and provocative to the Gardai. That amounts to evidence in the world of that particular weirdo.

I'll say this for you pat, you don't run from the difficult ones. Respect.

Care to address that Bennett's fingerprint was found ?

Davros,

was he charged in connection with that particular incident Davros? I think you'll find that he wasn't. Even the Gardai must have spotted that as a horse not worth flogging. Added to their unwillingness to charge them with the spying (sic) allegations it just goes to show how handy it is to have the word of a Chief Super to rely on.

Ringo "Well there certainly is a level of respectability that is directly attributable to the peace process in the north and unrelated to any Sinn Feiner in Dublin. "

It's not so much the so called "peace process" but rather the end of the nightly reports of IRA killing that have helped. (Two very different things in my book).

This (combined with the collapse of DL and the WP)might be enough to help SF gain a major portition of the "left of Labour" vote, but that has not been enough to create the critical mass necessary to get a Dáil seat. It's no surprise that both Dublin SF TDs have asociates involved in "community action". The same applies to Dessie Ellis and Nicky Kehoe, the next most likely Shinners to be elected in Dublin.

Why are SF making little or no impact in terms of potential Dail gains in our other cities? Could it be that these "community action" / vigilany groups ae mainly a Dublin phenomenon?

was he charged in connection with that particular incident Davros?

That his thumbprint was found was part of the evidence against him Pat :)

How long before Gerry and Co start agitating for
these two to be freed ? It's already being said that there are lost arms dumps out there ... at some point in the future will these be "re-discovered" and a whole new list of demands , including freeing Bennett, be presented so that these can be decommissioned ?

Wonder would Pat McLarnon be so understanding and if this case involved a DUP member instead of a Provo?

(Remember: Pat's not a Provo supporter.)

To be fair WF, Pat has the courage to stay and discuss. Others ran away ;)

All the 'work on the ground' would have been fruitless without the IRA cease-fire and daily images of Gerry Adams trying to make things better.

Sean Crowe would probably have made it on his own to the Dail based on his constituency work but I don't think any of the others would have.

Yes, this is spot on, Ringo. The two factors were equally necessary.

Davros

Binead's thumbprint was found on the roll of black tape

Can you account for the whereabouts of every roll of tape you've held in your hand? I don't think I could.

You'd be equally sceptical if it was a unionist politician and loyalists, wouldn't you?!

Ah, The fugitive comes out of hiding!

Davros :Interesting that nobody has called for O Snodaigh to be disciplined.

The Fugitive : For what?

For the same behaviour as people like you berate the DUP for failing to discipline the ghastly Wm McCrea :)

1)Associating with a convicted killer
2)Associating with the man "believed by Gardai to be the IRA's head of intelligence in the city"...

Well Henry ?

Davros

Some of us have other things to do besides post on Slugger believe it or not. I understand you were beside yourself with excitement because you thought you had a good point and I'm sorry if you were kept waiting for a reply. But here it is anyway.

If you are talking about a Sinn Fein TD taking part in a visit to prison by Sinn Fein TDs what basis is there in that for him to be disiplined by the party?

Associating with the man "believed by Gardai to be the IRA's head of intelligence in the city"...

What the Gardai believe or are reported to believe is oe thing. What they produce as evidence is something else.

Ha Ha Henry you made quite a few posts on other threads after you "disappeared ", if you pardon the expression, from this one ...

You have in the past complained about Wm McCrea sharing a platform with Wright- who was never convicted of any specific Killings ... unlike Walsh.
I pointed out that O Snodaigh broke prison regulations, had his picture taken with a killer and wasn't disciplined...and you run like a scalded cat.

or was it this one that had you OTR Henry ?

Henry : Binead is an anti-drugs activist

DAAD rings a bell. What better way to camoflage "Taxing" drug dealers than to claim that when those who won't pay are killed one is acting in the interest of the community ?

Ah, yes, there was a drugs link in the Hanratty case as well Henry :) The case where Sinn Féin as a PARTY were found guilty of sending a convicted terrorist round to give someone a hammering ;)

b Davros

Ha Ha Henry you made quite a few posts on other threads after you "disappeared ", if you pardon the expression, from this one ...

I posted on this thread on December 1 at 10:29 AM
Now I know I was busy for most of yesterday and I don't think I posted much after that so see if you can come up with some of the "quite a few" posts you are on about from between 10.30 yesterday and this morning.

I pointed out that O Snodaigh broke prison regulations, had his picture taken with a killer and wasn't disciplined...and you run like a scalded cat

This is the first time you have mentioned a picture as far as I know. It seems like a lesser point. He broke prison rules? And you want who to discipline him for that?

You have in the past complained about Wm McCrea sharing a platform with Wright

The point about McCrea is that it contradicted the DUP claim that it's reason for refusing to talk to Sinn Fein was based on principle.

davros

Binead is an anti-drugs activist

I got that from the judge

Imposing the prison terms, the judge noted that both men had a conviction for threatening to use a weapon during anti-drug activities.

davros

Binead is an anti-drugs activist

I got that from the judge

and ran like a scalded cat from discussing DAAD - action against Drugs or enforcers for Provo "Tax" collectors ?

and ran like a scalded cat from the Hanratty case.

Re the picture :) The thread starts with the STORY that O Snodaigh had his picture taken with Martin Walsh, Garda mcCabe's Killer ... too uncomfortable for you to read Henry ?

Hence MY post from which you ran :
1)Associating with a convicted killer

Davros

The thread starts with the STORY that O Snodaigh had his picture taken with Martin Walsh

He did so on a proson visit with other Sinn Fein TDs. You call was for him to be disciplined. I still don't know by who and on what basis. The visit was organised by Sinn Fein. Is you objection to the visit or to the picture?

Or are you still trying to compare it to the Wright/McCrea issue?

too uncomfortable for you to read Henry ?

I knew about the visit and I find it unremarkable. If you are asking me if I approve of it, I do.

Ha Ha Henry you made quite a few posts on other threads after you "disappeared ", if you pardon the expression, from this one ...

That remains a lie. And every claim based on it is also a lie.

It won't wash Henry. You have been shown up :)

Have to Laugh :)

Adams criticises IRA membership convictions

02/12/2004 - 19:24:50

Sinn Féin president Gerry Adams has described as unsound two convictions for IRA membership passed at the Special Criminal Court this week.

Mr Adams has said Niall Binead from Crumlin and Kenneth Donohoe from Tallaght should not have been convicted.

The republican leader has said the evidence against the two was insubstantial.

“Arguably those people would not have been convicted in any other state. The basis of their conviction was that the judge looked at videos of their conviction and made a judgment based upon their demeanour," he said.

“He also received secret briefings from the Special Branch that would not be accepted in any courts anywhere else.”

Gerry blusters and lies for foreign consumption :)

Davros

When it comes to bluster and lies you are in no position to make accusations after your strange dishosest and childish contibutions to this thread.

I will be happy to debate with you again when you apologise for telling lies about me.

You don't debate Henry. You regurgitate propaganda.
As for telling lies, I can teach you nothing there :)