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Liam Clarke
Three articles by Liam Clarke in today’s Sunday Times,although two are, in essence, saying the same thing- the DUP and Sinn Féin want a large amount of money for Northern Ireland.

Ulster asks for a ‘peace fund’

The DUP have asked for a One Billion Pound peace fund, which will be paid for through savings in security spending, and Sinn Féin are backing them. Will Gordon Brown play ball ?

Parties want €1.4bn for peace deal

The third deals with attitudes to Bloody Sunday/Saville and the Birmingham Pub bombings/Omagh.

Comment: Liam Clarke: IRA demands truth when all it offers are weasel words


Comments (17)

the DUP and Sinn Féin want a large amount of money for Northern Ireland.

Small property, Investment opportunity, in need of some repair, title subject to dispute, wonderful neighbours, interesting history, sitting tennents, house divided.

Viewing strictly by appointment with sole agents Adams & Robinson. (Previously on market with Durkin & Trimble)

Posted by: Henry94 [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 21, 2004 08:22 AM


That was funny :)

Posted by: Davros [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 21, 2004 10:08 AM


Now that sort of post I do enjoy, Henry!

The idea that money will solve NI's problems is nonsense. We've had plenty of money.

The real issue is segregation. Money won't solve that.

Posted by: IJP [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 21, 2004 01:55 PM


So let me (as a taxpayer) get this straight.

Have caused the problems of under investment by requiring normal funds to be diverted to
compensate for bombing campaigns etc- they want the taxpayer to pick up the bill??

Let me put this a politely as I can Fuck off-- you made the mess --pay for the clear up yourself

Posted by: barnshee [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 21, 2004 05:06 PM


barnshee - could be (and is ) argued that the mess was made by the Governments' track records during Direct Rule.

Posted by: Davros [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 21, 2004 05:17 PM


Gerry Adams weasel words reported by the BBC

Sinn Fein leader 'regrets' bombs

On the 30th anniversary of the bombs he said: "I certainly regret what happened and I make no bones about that."

and

Asked whether the IRA should apologise, Gerry Adams pointed to a statement the IRA made two years ago when it apologised to all civilians killed and injured.
"My recollection very clearly is that the IRA apologised for all the actions it engaged in in which civilians were hurt or injured.

Is Gerry saying that the IRA have admitted that they DID plant the bombs ?

What does he mean regret ? He regrets the casualties or that the bombs were placed ? He regrets the negative publicity ? Would he still regret the bombs if the morning after all those people were murdered they had lead to an announcement of Britain pulling out of NI ?

I always regret having a hangover. Doesn't mean I recognise I shouldn't have gone on the rip, or that I won't do it again.

Bollix Gerry.

Posted by: Davros [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 21, 2004 05:26 PM


Davros

You make it clear why such apologies are a bad idea. They are never enough because they can never be enough.

We are looking at 30 years of 20th aniversaries. I'm already bored by the prospect.

"I certainly regret what happened and I make no bones about that."

Bad choice of phrase. Someone is bound to allege that in mafia parlance he had already "made his bones" at that stage.

Posted by: Henry94 [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 21, 2004 07:33 PM


"Gerry Adams weasel words reported by the BBC"
You seem to be damned if you do and damned if you dont.

Posted by: cg [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 21, 2004 08:30 PM


What did he do cg ? He made meaningless noises.
Shed a few crocodile tears.

Posted by: Davros [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 21, 2004 09:00 PM


Davros
The man can't do anything right by some people’s logic.

If unionists are looking for the Republican movement to get on bended knees and plead for forgiveness they have another thing coming.
Republicans sacrificed a lot for this process but if it’s the IRA broke that unionists want then it will never happen.

For fuck sake it was a war and a lot of people suffered.
What’s the difference between a grieving family of an IRA volunteer and the grieving family of an RUC man?

NONE
Both families’ suffering is real.
There isn’t a hierarchy of victims.

Posted by: cg [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 22, 2004 12:20 AM


If there's no hierarchy of victims then why is there a need to investigate the murder of one person over another?

Posted by: Mark [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 22, 2004 03:04 AM


What’s the difference between a grieving family of an IRA volunteer and the grieving family of an RUC man?

The former are grieving over a man whose purpose was to inflict suffering on others. The latter are grieving over a man whose role was to protect others from the former.

There isn’t a hierarchy of victims.

There is. The innocent victim is higher up the hierarchy than Billy Wright or Dominic McGlinchy.

Posted by: willowfield [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 22, 2004 09:50 AM


I disagree cg. If you call this a war, how would you feel about people like Martin McGuinness facing a war crimes tribunal ?

Posted by: Davros [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 22, 2004 10:14 AM


WF_ in my book Wright and McGlinchey weren't victims. They were perpetrators of evil.
Their families ? Variable.

Posted by: Davros [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 22, 2004 10:24 AM


"Republicans sacrificed a lot for this process"

yep, several hundred lives, thousands of limbs and minds, millions of pounds worth of property.

If republicans are to earn the respect they crave, getting down on bended kneee and pleading for forgiveness is exactly what they'll have to do. Until then they richly deserve and retain our contempt. Get used to it.

Posted by: davidbrew [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 22, 2004 02:14 PM


Physical Force republicans DB. Not all republicans approved of, let alone supported, the crimes of the IRA, INLA etc.

Posted by: Davros [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 22, 2004 02:27 PM


agreed, and there's nothing wrong with them advancing their beliefs in a totally peaceful manner, but the onus is unfortunately on them to prove that is the way they operate, given the propensity of most republicans to be ambiguous.

Posted by: davidbrew [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 24, 2004 10:00 AM



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