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TV viewers in the Netherlands have voted murdered right-wing politician Pim Fortuyn the greatest Dutchman of all time. No prizes for guessing who came second...

Comments (19)

Weird choice but then again not mine.

Posted by: cg [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 17, 2004 08:17 PM


Agreed cg - it's so obvious that Wm III was the greatest Dutchman of all time.

Posted by: Davros [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 17, 2004 09:27 PM


Indeed Davros, indeed

Posted by: cg [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 17, 2004 09:30 PM


I was going to ask you if you thought him a greater man than Oliver Cromwell, but thought I might be pushing my luck ;)

Posted by: Davros [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 17, 2004 09:34 PM


Davros you have definitly crossed the line, for which there is no return.
So you will agree that Bobby Sands was the greatest Irish man then.

Posted by: cg [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 17, 2004 09:38 PM


I have a lot more respect for Bobby Sands than I have for most paramilitaries cg. Will that do ?

Posted by: Davros [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 17, 2004 09:40 PM


Good man Davros but you ment to say Revolutionaries

Posted by: cg [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 17, 2004 09:41 PM


Shhhhhh - you'll lose SF $$$$$$$ - just looking at a bad picture of a Mural, Shiels Street Belfast 1998 - Che Guevara and Republican Prisoners reading one of his books.

Posted by: Davros [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 17, 2004 09:49 PM


Davros,
Surely you jest? Bobby Sands was a convicted terrorist who died through his own choice of suicide. He made that choice himself, unlike the innocents given no choice whom he murdered in cold blood!

Posted by: Jonathan McCullough [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 18, 2004 12:56 AM


I don't jest. For all his faults, which obviously are measured against my standards and others will disagree, Sands was head and shoulders above others such as Lenny Murphy. An intelligent young man, a tragedy that he is dead. He could have done so much more alive and although I disagreed with his politics and totally disagree with his actions that placed him in the Maze, he is deserving of respect.

Posted by: Davros [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 18, 2004 01:05 AM


it's so obvious that Wm III was the greatest Dutchman of all time.

Actually it was William III's Grandfather, William the Silent, who came second in the poll, ands who probably should have come first.

After all, he led his country in a war of independence, kicked out an imperial monarchy and founded a republic.

Posted by: Tom Griffin [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 18, 2004 02:00 AM


Great-grandfather even

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_I_of_Orange

Posted by: Tom Griffin [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 18, 2004 02:05 AM


you'd have thought they could have found room for Dennis Bergkamp, the genius of Highbury in the top three as well

Posted by: davidbrew [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 18, 2004 09:10 AM


Arsenal ? spits .....

Posted by: Davros [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 18, 2004 09:53 AM


Ruud Van Nistlerooy anybody?

Bloody Andorrans have him injured i see.

Posted by: PS [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 18, 2004 10:04 AM


What have the Andorrans ever done for us? :-)

Posted by: smcgiff [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 18, 2004 10:16 AM


Wrong William of Orange guys as Tom Griffin points out it was the first one. Its a bit strange having him second greatest dutchman because as their national anthem in his honuour says " I am of German blood". They had Johan Cruijf as one of the guys nominated. It was a bit sad watching his supporter trying to explain why Cruijf was the greatest Dutchman ever. DIdnt quite match the other candidates

Posted by: Jeremy [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 18, 2004 08:10 PM


congratulations to Andorra for having performed this great service to sport.

Posted by: davidbrew [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 19, 2004 11:00 AM


Sands is worthy of no respect. Someone who had so little respect for human life is not worthy of respect himself.

Posted by: willowfield [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 19, 2004 12:34 PM



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