“The British Army is in occupation of part of this country.”
The BBC report on the Queen’s Birthday Honours list relating to Northern Ireland mentions the series of hoax bomb alerts at St Colm’s High School, Twinbrook, when noting the OBE for school principal Imelda Jordan [For enduring that speech by the NI Education Minister? - Ed]. But they neglected to mention the initial criticism of the principal from Sinn Féin Cllr Sam Baker [still no relation]. As I said, to paraphrase Michael Longley, start civilising yourselves.
Typo: “In other words, the same Redmondite agenda that was already rejected (but that is now resurrected by the British government in new clothes under the GFA).”
UMH,
Ireland like Britian has to face up to our historical mistakes – no need to keep anything hush hush – people will see we had a problem with Birtian’s imperial behaviour in Ireland and recognise the reason we made the wrong choice.
Discuss, recognise, move on and make sure you dont make the same mistake again. All good healthly, sensible stuff.
Dave, De Valera was a sectarian bastard, who only seen the Irish nation as a Gaelic RC concern.
“[i]Discuss, recognise, move on and make sure you dont make the same mistake again. All good healthly, sensible stuff.”[/i]
Only for someone who really wants to rock the Irish nation/state boat, Sammy. Most of society don’t even know the Irish state (1944) was neutral. Those who do know are talking about it on sites like this which will never get mainstream publicity anyhow.
The Republic have sneeked their way in through the EU, why rock the boat Sam? lol
“Well as I mentioned above history has a habit of repeating itself, we should acknowledge our mistakes and its a welcome distraction from the economy” and “Discuss, recognise, move on and make sure you dont make the same mistake again” – Stuck-record: you’ve out-done yourself! Easily your most amusing day in yonks. Though you should probably play a few of your Slabberiest Hits back catalogue for older listeners too: give ‘em a chorus some ‘da Brits can’t do dese terrible tings, er, now dey can‘, and, oh, ‘Sinn Five are gonna leave youse Huns on yer own in Government: in fact, they’ve already done so, *last year* due to the lack of P&J’. But as ever, whatever else you’ve got wrong, whatever distance you’ll go to stay in that blissful world of make-believe, you’ve got one thing right: you really should keep on running.
UMH,
I have already explained to you the merits of learning from history – perhaps its something the plain people of Ireland and particlularly those who consider themselves British and who live mainly in the province of Ulster should give some consideration to.
I get you Sammy (wink,wink)
Sammy: these awards are fine in Britain where people like that sort of thing – post GFA lets get a more suitable set on gongs.
How about both governments offering awards and recognition for public service? OBE from the British Government, and the Order of the Brown Envelope from the RoI government. A potential recipient could accept either, both or neither.
That would *certainly* be in line with the theme of the GFE – ‘Either or both’.
Reader, Where do you wish to go?
Could the Belfast PSF Cllr contact his Derry comrades for some re-education.
Derry City Council with its PSF Mayor has invited a Royal Navy Warship to Derry Quay.
And with not a hint of corruption they have paid Estate Services to do private security at the scene.
Estate Services is owned by Martin Mc Guinness’s brother.
Indeed one local dissident who got too lippy at the armed squaddies on board was assaulted by the private security goons, who told to leave him to leave the country if he didn’t like the Brits.
The British warship with Bogside Shinners doing private security, (cash in hand) will be in town till Tuesday for those wishing to visit.
Its a minesweeper, hardly a warship. Albeit guarded by armed RN personnel. The people of Londonderry have an affinity with the Royal Navy going back to the mass U-Boat surrender in 1945.
Fair play to Martin McGuinness supporting all our local forces- Air, Sea and Land- as a Crown servant.
That’s what he is paid to do.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8b/Nazi_Windsors.jpg
Now if I was childish I could say the entire British Royal family were nazi lovin inbreds. But that would be wrong because they were not. But hey its very easy to link a pic and make what one thinks is a nice smart-arsed comment then chuckle to oneself like a bold kid who just stuck two fingers up to a stranger. Furthermore thinking just because a country is small and it armed forces likewise its ok to belittle the men and women who serve in it whilst continuously defending a bigger larger army with a colonialist past is some kind of reasoned lucid manner in which to enage on a blog is pretty warped to say the least !
Ireland forever: “Catholic Observer – it’s Catholics like you who give these Unionists hope. Unionism has no place in Ireland, the Monarchy has no place in Ireland, and liberal Catholics like you have no place in Ireland ”
Why is that your Majesty? Do we all have to leave Ireland just because we don’t agree with you? What a narrow minded fanatic. So much for the ‘New Ireland’.
“Dave, De Valera was a sectarian bastard, who only seen the Irish nation as a Gaelic RC concern.” – Ulsters my homeland
On the contrary, Eamon de Valera’s definition of national self-determination became the cornerstone of international law after it was adopted by the United Nations. There is nothing sectarian about nationalism or the nation-state. If there was then 196 out of the world’s 203 states would be classified as such.
Ireland exists to promote the national interest of the Irish nation, not to promote the national interest of any other nation. There will never be any veto over the right of the Irish nation to national self-determination in Ireland. It is that nation alone who will exercise the “sovereign right of the nation to choose its own form of Government, to determine its relations with other nations, and to develop its life, political, economic, and cultural, in accordance with its own genius and traditions.”
As you are Northern Irish, you also have a right to national self-determination that is no longer disputed post-GFA. Sadly for you lot, your nation consists of a conjoined twins who detest each other and have entirely differently cultural and political affiliations. It’s a freakish way to live, but good luck with it. But most of all, keep it to yourself because the Irish nation has sweet fuck all intention of renouncing its right to national self-determination and remodelling itself as a replica of the failed sectarian statelet of NI just so that you lot of state-subsidised ne’er-do-wells can bring your hatred of all-things Irish into Ireland. Ireland is for the Irish and France is for the French… and so on until you list the other 196 nation-states.
“Dave, De Valera was a sectarian bastard, who only seen the Irish nation as a Gaelic RC concern.”
UMH, I remember that you recently seemed very confused and refered to De Valera as Devlin.
Have you read a bit more?
Have you had a bit more insight so that you can comment constructively?
“Fair play to Martin McGuinness supporting all our local forces- Air, Sea and Land- as a Crown servant.”
Ah, ha, ha, ha……you supporting Sinn Féin now Drirtwood?
Unionists folk (like the above mentioned) can only see as far as the tip of their noses.
Sad that it may be, but it’s true too.
…and who cares?
…and sure why even reply to their comments?
It would be best to ignore them!
Greagoir
I don’t like Sinn Fein, no matter how much they now support the British Army, Royal Navy and RAF, simply because they are a criminal enterprise, as are their ‘loyalist’ comrades.
Sectarian murderers/Drug Dealers-Sinn Fein-UDA, whatever, not my cup of tea. That’s where we part company.
“BTW Does the republic of Ireland actually have an army, or just a wee pretendy one? The cowardly acction of Southern Ireland in WW2 was, or should be, an embarrassment to their government.”
Which side should they have been on the Liberators of the Netherlands or the Allied side?
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/02_01/naziMOS0902_468x196.jpg
They cannot function within an Irish statelet either.
Dave
“[i]On the contrary, Eamon de Valera’s definition of national self-determination became the cornerstone of international law after it was adopted by the United Nations. There is nothing sectarian about nationalism or the nation-state. If there was then 196 out of the world’s 203 states would be classified as such. “[/i]
….but his sectarian ideas didn’t take hold.
De Valera said “Since the coming of St Patrick 1500 years ago Ireland has been a Christian and a Catholic nation, she will remain a Catholic nation”. No where in UN law have they adopted De Valera’s sectarian Nation/Sates idea.
“[i]As you are Northern Irish, you also have a right to national self-determination that is no longer disputed post-GFA. Sadly for you lot, your nation consists of a conjoined twins who detest each other and have entirely differently cultural and political affiliations. It’s a freakish way to live, but good luck with it. But most of all, keep it to yourself because the Irish nation has sweet fuck all intention of renouncing its right to national self-determination and remodelling itself as a replica of the failed sectarian statelet of NI just so that you lot of state-subsidised ne’er-do-wells can bring your hatred of all-things Irish into Ireland. Ireland is for the Irish and France is for the French… and so on until you list the other 196 nation-states.
”[/i]
You remind me so much of USA.
Ah the UMH,
But your comments are always tinged with anti-Catholicism, so your comments don’t really count as they are very biased.
Remember too, that your ancestors, (your grandfathers grandfathers grandfather etc…)were papists at one time prior to the Reformation. So you have popish blood in you and all the praying in the world will probably not remove that ‘sin’ as you would call it.
You are tinged with Catholicism.
Is it true that the only time Orange parades were cancelled was during WWII because it would have looked bad to have people wandering around doing nothing while there was a war on?
Gregory
“[i]But your comments are always tinged with anti-Catholicism, so your comments don’t really count as they are very biased.”[/i]
Oh Aye, its all my fault De Valera was a secratian papist who suggested giving council jobs to Catholics and not the Protestant.
Sure, it was probably the anti-Catholic Protestants that made Dev say those things? Wasn’t it?
“Oh Aye, its all my fault De Valera was a secratian papist who suggested giving council jobs to Catholics and not the Protestant.”
Idiotic comments as usual. You are confusing your history and the religious discrimination that was in Northern Ireland.
Not at all Gregory, would you like me to quote him?
“If I had a vote on a local body, and if there were two qualified people who had to deal with a Catholic community, and if one was a Catholic and the other was a Protestant, I would unhesitatingly vote for the Catholic”.
Mayo County council refused to appoint a graduate of Trinity College in the county library because he was a Protestant, and De Valera agreed with their decision.
New book on the subject mentioned here.
http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/2009/01/17/story82154.asp
“Mayo County council refused to appoint a graduate of Trinity College in the county library because he was a Protestant, and De Valera agreed with their decision.”
Yep, but ye saw that just recently on the telly….RTE 1. I suppose ye’ll keep quoting that too till the day you die as well as the rest of your anti Catholic, anti-Republic of Ireland, anti Irish Nationalist rhetoric.
In any way, at least we can accept our past mistakes in the ROI, and know that we were very wrong, ie regarding the dominance of the Catholic Church etc…and our attitudes to Britain unlike an amount of Unionist folk in Northern Ireland today, who still hold firm old beliefs and prejudices!
BTW…here it is.
http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/2009/01/17/story82154.asp
….and it just shows how stupid we once were with our prejudicial religious views.
Would a Catholic librarian recieved a similar fate in NI in those times.
Gregory
The Ryan report. Little, if any ,abuse was conducted by the Catholic Church in NI, because, unlike the Southern theocracy, they wouldn’t have got away with it here in this part of the democratic United Kingdom.
Think how lucky your co-religionists were in Northern Ireland compared to De Valeras theocracy.
“they wouldn’t have got away with it here in this part of the democratic United Kingdom.”
Yep, very true.
….but I supose Catholics in general in NI did’nt get away anything.
BTW Driftwood, but this Loyalist paedophile ring managed to get away with it in “part of the democratic United Kingdom”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kincora_Boys'_Home
Why was that, do you know?
……and of course, Father Brendan Smith managed to get away with it in “part of the democratic United Kingdom”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Smyth_(priest)
Kincora?
How many MPs have threatened to use Parliamentary privilege to name names ?
These same people have no such scruples about naming Nationalists who they believed were guilty.
Guys
Try to focus on the task at hand.
And in ther 1950s Saint Anne’s could not have its organ fixed for two years because the original guy to do the job was chased back to Dublin and they had to wait for someone from Great Britain to do the job.
Many businesses at the time had no Catholics need apply on their advertisments.
Sir Roger Casement ?
Posted by Danny O’Connor on Jun 14, 2009 @ 03:27 AM
I wonder what Iris Robinson thinks about this honour.
I usually don’t agree with UMH, but Dev was a dissapointment as a leader. He ability to stay neutral was one of the more remarkable diplomatic accomplishments of WW II, but his support for a state that gave preferential treatment to RC was a disgrace. It was not what many had fought for. (If they had listned to the Church, the War of Independence would never have been fought at all.) It certainly did not reflect the ideals espoused in the 1916 Proclamation